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“Why are men in general so emotionally constipated? omg stop crying like a pussy; we just asked a question!” - the patriarchy, oppressing us all

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feminism is for everyone. patriarchy is both against and enforced by everyone

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When i was a kid it was the opposite… but in my adult years it’s been overwhelmingly women that tried to enforce masculinity on me any time I stepped out of the bounds of masculinity and did something feminine (wear feminine clothes, cry, make a comment getting hit on by men to name a few). I was a closeted trans woman in denial which made it extra annoying whenever it happened. Now that I’m out the women in my life have been extremely supportive so there is that. However whenever I go out in full femme with outfit and make-up I noticed it’s women who stare at me, had one lady look me up and down three times pretty deliberately while standing 4ft away from me. I don’t always see it as malicious (not that i would care), more like they’re curious or maybe even liking fit. But it’s an interesting contrast compared to men who seem to give me almost no mind or attention by comparison. It was something I didn’t expect.

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My wife makes way more than me, with the potential to be sole provider in less than 5 years. I told her id love to stay home and take care of the house/kids. She got offended, and said itd probably end our marriage because that wouldnt be masculine.

Shes always been a big proponent for gender equality… i guess she always only ever thought of one gender

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You or @Ofiuco@lemmy.cafe in somewhere like the SF Bay Area, California?

Curious cuz this ain’t cool and I dare say my circles ‘round these decently progressive parts would concur

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Yes, and many women are strict enforcers of the patriarchy, too. Boys are raised to deny their feelings by both parents, because both parents were raised that way, too. There’s a focus on hyper masculinity that hurts both men and women, and is perpetuated by both men and women. Society has been leaning away from that, but it’s caused a backlash that’s kinda hurting us right now. And some social media is amplifying it.

We’ll get past it, but it’s going to hurt for a while.

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I have a very different friend group. Yeah people still like to project success and their kids whatever at the moment. But even that’s only my local friends. Many of us love to talk shit about the state of the country/world and try to take care of each other through mental and emotional issues.

It’s funny, I generally prefer to talk to a woman professionally, but I’d rather talk to a man friend about specific emotional problems. Of course I’m lucky to have a wife I would talk about most of these things with, but not everyone has a good partner.

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Genuine question, how would you wish a good friend/partner would react?

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Feminism is not and cannot be for everyone.

Only an idiot would believe that masculine rights groups would primarily exist to serve the issues of women.

Why should anyone believe that feminism can solve the issues of men?

Don’t make feminism, a very good thing, into an all-encompassing ideology. You set yourself up for disappointment when not everyone rallies to your idealistic crusade.

Feminism is a tool of thought for liberating women. If you’re trying to use it to liberate men, you’ve got a self-serving ideology at work and it sucks to deal with.

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Thanks, buddy. A needed statement.

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Feminism is explicitly about the social equality of sexes.

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Thou I’d love to hear your thoughts on veganism. Suffice it to say you’re wrong this time champ.

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I think the ideology you think of when you say it’s for everyone, is egalitarianism. Feminism can’t be for everyone in the same way that patriarchy can’t mean “womens oppression of men”.

Unless of course, you’re looking to confuse with the terminology.

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Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes.

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This has nothing to do with men being in position of power, this has everything to do with people having no empathy. If we lived in a matriarchy and people acted the same way they would still be assholes.

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Patriarchy says that men can’t be “soft” because that’s a womanly trait, and women are inferior.

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So they where practicing the first part. Do we have a word for that?

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No, patriarchy is men having power, it doesn’t define what they can or can’t do otherwise.

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8 points

Are people this shitty to women when they express sadness?

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Yes

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Stawp ghashlighting meh

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Stop using “the patriarchy” as an excuse for vile behaviour. Yes, it exists, but it’s made up of a large group of people behaving badly, and one way to break it is to address the individuals one at a time.

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It’s ironically self-unaware victim-blaming to use the male-based word “patriarchy” to describe a set of societal norms and expectations that both sexes are equally responsible for creating and perpetuating. Puts the blame entirely on men and takes women completely off the hook.

Pure sexism.

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I say the same about calling the movement feminism

If men are equally welcome in it, it’s not feminism anymore, it’s egalitarianism, but every woman I’ve ever seen it suggested to flips their shit while every man I’ve seen it suggested to goes “yeah that makes sense”

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