I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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This push to demonize the strawman protest voters is an ongoing propaganda campaign to cause poor people to infight.

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Strawman?

6.27 Million more people voted for Biden in 2020 than Harris in 2024. That’s not strawmanning, those fuckers stayed home and that is exactly why we are in the current situation.

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7 points

Cool. Neither party was palatable for a huge amount of people, wonder why.

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If I’m offered a plate of tomatoes, which I hate, and a pile of shit as choices to eat, both are not palatable to me. But that doesn’t make them the same.

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Let’s say you’re completely right. How does insulting people’s poor choices 4 months ago help us in the present? We can’t create resistance and solidarity if we hold grievances from the past.

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Because some people, mostly just tankies and anarchists pretending to be moral abstainers, are unapologetic about helping elect fascism. By exposing and shaming them, onlookers will reconsider their own stance.

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Maybe if some of them would accept responsibility, it would go a long way towards creating that resistance.

I’d actually have a lot of respect for someone someone that could admit they made a huge mistake, because it means they are self aware enough to know that their own behavior has consequences also.

And I can get behind people humble enough to own their mistakes.

But most of these people have the gall to blame people who voted for Harris, or blame Harris herself for not being perfect in every way.

So unless they find some humility, there won’t be any solidarity and I would even go so far as to urge others to refuse to find solidarity with anyone that does not have enough strength of character to own their mistakes.

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Or worse, to exacerbate racial tensions, is one possibility I fear.

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7 points

If you agree with them, then why did you post this?

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it’s generating productive discussion

also there’s nothing really to “agree” with or not; it’s a question only and I have been doing my best not to come down with immediate judgement toward those answering the question

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Yeah. I thought this sort of shit would’ve been cut down after those CIA layoffs trump did or whatever, or, that’s what everyone’s been jokingly saying, at least. Probably it’s more along the lines that social media companies keep selectively propagating this shit because they’re a revolving door with those three letter agencies anyways. Saw a LOT of black liberals posting with starbucks cups and mcdonald’s after the election, and talking about how they want to buy beachfront property in gaza, because the michigan vote didn’t come through for Kamala. Most of those people probably weren’t conforming to the boycott in the first place, and more broadly didn’t give a shit at all, but still, incredibly harrowing stuff, there.

Anyways yeah I agree with the other guy, if you wanted to spurn discussion, you probably would’ve been better off posting some shit that’s not like, immediately just blaming the protest votes? Is in better faith more generally? Probably wouldn’t gain as much traction exclusively because of that, as is the case with the site, but you’d at least not be contributing to that sort of bad faith discussion as much, which I think the initial post is doing.

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It isn’t a straw man, it is observation .

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Well, no, because I’ve been asking myself the same question for a while now. And I don’t have that agenda. Lol

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