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Canada’s ruling Liberal Party has elected Mark Carney as its new leader and therefore Prime Minister, setting up a face-off between the former central banker and US President Donald Trump.
On Sunday afternoon the Liberal party announced Carney had won the contest to replace Justin Trudeau, who stepped down as leader in January after months of party infighting and poor polling.
However, celebrations for Carney and his team in Ottawa will be shortlived as Canada faces a trade war with its southern neighbour. Trump has threatened to levy broad tariffs on Canada’s imports and taunted that the country should become the 51st state of the US.
Carney is expected to immediately replace Trudeau, who was at the Liberal party event on Sunday.
Trudeau and his Liberal party were seen as arrogant and out of touch. I don’t know that Carney is any better in that regard given his ties to the big shitty businesses which are ruining our society, but he’s certainly more financially literate than Trudeau was and people want that right now. He’s certainly qualified for the job.
See this is exactly what I was talking about.
Who decided that the vibe was that Trudeau was “arrogant and out of touch”? Who decided that a totally different politician – surely one who is equally arrogant and out of touch, on a personal level – was “financially literate” and “certainly qualified for the job”?
…the voters did when polled or asked. There’s other reasons but that is a big one.
For question two, the rest of the Liberal party decided that.
Like, are you at all informed about Canadian politics at the moment or are you just shooting from the hip?
Edit: Carney is not a politician, btw. I mean, sure, now he is. But that’s not his background. He is an outsider politically speaking.
Haha, yes, an outsider central banker! The solution to the little guy’s problems! No politics experience at all, the perfect man to defeat fascism!
Thanks for your well rounded contribution. Yes, in the context it was written, he is a political outsider. No need to be so sensitive about it.
I’m of the opinion he will be more of the same while being quieter about things than Trudeau was, but people sort of want some financial literacy within government and Trudeau’s Liberals were not that. Carney certainly wouldn’t be my first choice but looking at the other options it’s not rocket science to see why he was chosen.
Yes, but why do the voters think that? The voters in America thought that Trump would be better on the economy. Why on earth did they think that? It’s a very weird thing for them to think. They have a lot of those weird beliefs that definitely aren’t reality, and have to come from somewhere. Or, maybe they have some kind of grain of truth, but they get blown up into these hugely important things, that emotionally resonate. “He’s arrogant and out of touch” is a perfect example of one of those things.
Like I say, I’m not saying the voters don’t genuinely think that. I am asking where they got that idea.
I actually don’t know the answer, even as far as America and Trump being good for the economy. And I don’t think the answer for America, at least about that instance, is clearly “Russians,” for what it’s worth. And also yes I am totally uninformed about Canadian politics. I just know that with these kind of vibes-based judgements about politicians, it’s almost always based on some kind of bullshit.
- George Bush is the kind of guy you can have a beer with
- John Kerry is aloof and arrogant
- Al Gore is kooky and also arrogant
- Donald Trump is good at business, he can fix the economy
That kind of thing. It’s very malleable. You might as well say that Trudeau is a man of the people, because he was a drama teacher, and this other guy is from a bank, he’s a banker, he’s greedy, he’s everything that’s wrong with society today. It’s just kind of vibes and random judgements. Or, at least, when I look at it within American politics, that’s what it is.
I’m pretty sure people thought Trump would be good at economics literally just because of the Apprentice. Manny more people in the US watch reality TV than have any real understanding of politics. Look at all the Trump voters who literally seemed to have no idea he would do any of the things he very loudly said he was going to do. They just remember him being the boss guy who was supposedly good at business from that one show they watched about business.
Hi, hello, I’m a Canadian who agrees with the idea that Trudeau is arrogant and out of touch. (*I also think this applies to almost all politicians)
tl;dr I suspect people think Trudeau is arrogant and out-of-touch because he was born into privilege, but more importantly, has been a politician in the highest office for the past 10 years during a time of worsening prospects for the electorate (regardless of his own impact on the situation, although that is not “no impact”). Literally nothing he could say could put a shine on that.
Trudeau is a figurehead as party leader, and as PM. I mean, not only that – the PM does have significant political power as well – but it means he’s a representative of all the actions that his government takes, and not without reason. People assume that the PMO exerts its influence on party members because it does. Above-board and otherwise (see the SNC-Lavalin scandal).
In my purely vibes-based view, that’s just how Canadian federal politics be. PM stays in power for long enough, lots of little grievances build up, eventually people get fed up and want change.
This isn’t really a shocking shakeup to me - the last Liberal regime lost power amid scandal and turmoil and it seemed much messier than this (although not as messy as the UK Tories’ clown car procession).
It’s more like Liberals doing internal realpolitik. They knew they were falling out of favour with the public, and they chose to pile as much culpability on Trudeau and torch him. I’d like to say it was because the stakes are higher and this is some high-minded bid to avert our being pulled into the US’s fascist death spiral, but honestly, I think it’s more likely just an attempt retain as much power as possible.
And boy did it pay off.
The Liberals were absolutely on an express flight out of power before Trump started a trade war. And because we still have FPTP ಠ_ಠ and the NDP are toothless cupbearers to the LPC, that meant that, with an election due soon, we were locked in for a conservative government. Not just that, polls were indicating a majority.
But the cons have been playing the right-populist game, riding Trump’s coattails. Their ‘platform’ relied on the continuation of friendly relations.
The tariffs were absolute manna from heaven for the LPC, but wouldn’t have been if Trudeau had remained at the helm because his approval ratings were dropping and our (largely US-owned and right-wing-biased) legacy media have been making hay with it. Fwiw, I’m pretty sure severalmany outgoing PMs have had worse approval ratings (lookin at you, BM the PM), but their party usually loses the subsequent election.
Which is probably why Freeland knifed Trudeau – to try to distance herself from his dropping approval rating and reclaim her mantle of “PM in-waiting”.
JT’s tenure as PM lasted 10 years. During that time, housing and healthcare problems have become crises, and while no single level of government could fix these, it’s clear to me that the LPC has not done enough to address the situation. Increasing numbers of Canadians cannot afford to buy a home, rent has ballooned unchecked in major metropols, and increasing numbers of Canadians do not have access to a family doctor.
And there’s also rising xenophobia and anti-immigrant sentiment, which is extremely worrying, and the Liberals are pro-immigration and have historically kept immigration levels high because this country depends on immigrant labour.
But when too many people can’t afford housing or find a doctor, the first thing a lot of people think isn’t that these are systemic failings that could have been prevented and remediated by good and timely policy interventions, it’s “there are too many people and they’re taking all the [house] [doctor] [jerb]!” And immigrants make a very convenient scapegoat, especially when it’s being modelled to such great political success by our neighbours.
I will also say that since you either aren’t Canadian, or are (as you admitted) unfamiliar with Canadian politics, I can see how you’d be confused by what seems like a sudden animus towards Trudeau if your opinion is based on his international relations and foreign policy. I have very little to say about either of those things. I agree, it’s largely been fine.
What I do have problems with has been his domestic policy, and there’s a (non-exhaustive) laundry list, so if you want as much granularity as I can try to give in a frankly prodigious act of procrastination, I put it in a different post because this hit the character limit.