A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister’s children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

“They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store,” Gualtieri said.

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The solution is to examine how these guns got out of the legal system and into the illegal system.

The 2nd Amendment isn’t going anywhere so you can take that pipedream off the table barring 290 votes in the House, 67 votes in the Senate, and ratification from 38 states.

So what CAN we do?

Well…

#1) Hold gun owners accountable for storing a gun in something like a car that can be easily be broken into or stolen.

#2) When kids are arrested for something like burglary, you search their homes for weapons.

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So to start with: universal registration and ID/licensing for gun ownership, and strict liability on registered owners for crimes committed by their guns.

I’m in, sounds great.

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2nd Amendment. Can’t be done. “Shall not be infringed.”

Add to that the most recent ruling from the Supreme Court:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/597/20-843/

“the government must affirmatively prove that its firearms regulation is part of the historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.”

This is a new twist from the Supremes. Gun laws must prove that they are in keeping with “historical tradition”. So, banning felons from owning guns is allowed, there’s an historical tradition for that.

So if there’s no historical basis, it won’t pass muster at the Supremes.

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Youre saying something called an amendment can’t be changed?

You might need a thesaurus buddy.

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Meh, the modern interpretation came from corrupt justices legislating from the bench, building completely ahistoric interpretations to suit modern sensibilities. This whole absolute 2A thing is entirely modern with no sincere history backing it up. The solution is court reform which is needed for a host of other reasons anyway.

But also, just to point out, YOU are arguing against YOUR OWN solutions. Which is absolute proof of how intractable the situation is right now. And the situation has become intractable because of people like you.

You’re the problem.

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You think you can just say “2a” and that shuts every argument down, it’s so cringe

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