Ok, sure Hamas attacked, kidnapped and killed civilians, with 1200+ killed and another 5000+ injured.
Israel retaliated by killing 13,000+ kids and 8,000+ women, with 33,000+ killed since then.
I’d say that’s a disproportionate response.
Remember, those numbers are from around 3-4 weeks ago. There isn’t any mechanism for continuing the count, which is why the number hasn’t changed as starvation kicks in.
You’re forgetting something. 30% of those numbers from October 7th are Israeli military. And yeah it was bad that they killed so many civilians. But this number gets thrown around like they were on an unopposed rampage. Then there’s the fact that Israelis near Palestinian borders tend to be well armed and a picture of an actual fight begins to emerge.
Most of the Israelis who live near Gaza are peace activists and environmental activists who live there to help build peaceful relations with Palestine.
a little guy attacking a big guy needs to expect a big response. it’s moronic to believe anything else
The guerilla doesn’t need to win, just not lose. The correct response if you actually want to end the fighting is to attack the Idea. Which turns out to be a careful balancing act of of fighting radicals while respecting and helping the local population.
This is… Not that.
You are describing the American response to the Taliban. I suspect Israel saw what happened in Afghanistan and decided that it wasn’t the “correct response” after all.
Proportional response would have been to storm gaza and rape, torture and murder 1200+ palestinians - mostly civilians.
That’s not what proportional warfare means.
It has nothing to do with the numbers being proportional on two sides. It’s whether the military response is proportional to the military goal. The military goal in this case is the defeat of an embedded terrorist organization and return of hostages.
By that definition Israel is failing to meet its military goal. Killing SO MANY innocent civilians would be considered a military failure by any other western county.
Unless the goal is collective punishment and not proportional warfare.
Yup, a total failure. They’re currently at -2. They’ve rescued no hostages and killed two “by accident”. The only time Israel got hostages was when the military was put on a leash during a ceasefire and they traded some of their own Palestinian hostages.
would be considered a military failure by any other western county.
I doubt it.
Western countries understand that ninety percent of war-time casualties are civilians.
I disagree, but at least you are understanding the correct meaning of proportionality and we can have a discussion.
The people that told you that are mentally insane, so you know. I know it feels good to have a rationalisation and that they seem reasonable. but they are emotionally immature men that have traumas preventing them from growing up correctly and now they are in a psychosis.
No, nothing about any one killing anyone is about a military target goal. It’s not justified to do these things. Just like it was and is not justified by the terrorists to do them. Stop being a fool really that thinks this is normal to do, to slay an entire people. What the fuck man.
You are not upset with me, you are upset with the definition of a word.
Obviously we all want a peaceful world, but when you have a group like Hamas that believe their god wants them to kill anyone who is not their form of extremist religion, how can you end violence without eliminating them? Israel tried for decades to avoid this type if direct conflict. That avoidance cost them and led to the deadliest day in all Israeli history.
This is a war. What makes you think war is supposed to be proportionate?
How many American civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor? There were 68.
How many Japanese civilians were subsequently killed by Americans? About 500,000.
Americans weren’t obligated to stop when Japanese civilian casualties outnumbered American civilian casualties. They were only obligated to stop when Japan surrendered.
A “war” as you’re mentioning it is very different than what’s happening here.
Sure, in a total war, massive nation state war , if one side blunders and gets a whole army, or a whole city obliterated, that’s just war. (I’m not condoning or calling for total war, anywhere. Just explaining a difference)
This is absolutely not that.
Two governments, Hamas and Israel, are shooting at each other.
That means it’s a war.
Who’s supposed to surrender? Theres no government, it’s not a war, it’s a massacre.
Ah yes, Israel is just doing what the US did in Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. Very apt comparison.
Also the US killed way more that 500,000 Japanese civilians in WWII. Your just counting the atom bombs. We had leveled multiple cities with conventional and fire bombs before that.
