Comment by Westwolf@lemm.ee on TikTok resurfaces video of Trump saying US shouldn't have a president with felony conviction

Trump in 2016:

She shouldn’t be allowed to run.
If she were to win this election, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis.
In that situation we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial.
It would grind the government to a halt.

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-trial-guilty-hillary-clinton-b2556563.html

As a right-winger who doesn’t support Trump, nothing liberals can do will make the Trumpets see “reason.” They aren’t voting for Trump because of “reasons.” They’re voting for him because he causes liberals to have a meltdown and drives y’all crazy, and they absolutely fucking hate you and want to watch you stress out and get aggravated. The only way the lib left could make the reactionary right reject Trump is by reacting to him like sane people, which y’all are incapable of.

The only way the lib left could make the reactionary right reject Trump is by reacting to him like sane people, which y’all are incapable of

So what’s the sane way to react to him directly contradicting himself and lying about things we have video evidence of?

Clearly, it’s too call everyone who is voting for him a fascist, declare that democracy has fallen, and throw a temper tantrum in the middle of the street. Honestly, there’s probably nothing that can be done at this point. After 8 years of histrionics over Trump – four of which he wasn’t even in office – it would be almost impossible to change the right’s perception of the left as arrogant, elitist, hypocritical crybullies.

“Laws matter and words mean things”

“Oh here we go again with the arrogant elitist hypocrites!”

Shut the fuck up

What a powerful argument. Not at all the reaction of an arrogant, elitist, hypocritical crybully.

So to be clear: You come here telling the “lib left” they need to behave more rationally, and when asked what that would look like you respond with sarcasm, insults, and don’t actually answer the question.

I don’t think you’re exactly role modeling “reacting like a sane person” here.

The question was glib nonsense. It’s not about how one reacts to any individual thing Trump does, especially not when that thing is itself a reaction to the larger context of the liberal/left reaction to Trump’s mere existence.

So your original statement was glib nonsense then?

I took your original post at face value, asked an honest follow up of “what would that look like?” And you got offended by that.

You just came here to be a reactionary.

Clearly, it’s too call everyone who is voting for him a fascist, declare that democracy has fallen, and throw a temper tantrum in the middle of the street

So the things MAGA have been doing for the past 8 years?

Do you really think that’s a fair assessment of what “MAGA” have been doing for the past 8 years? Maybe the last 4 years, but they were hardly saying such things when their boy was in office.

Actually, I don’t care. What I really want to know is what your point is? “They do it, so it’s okay if we do it?” They are, for the most part, a bunch of reactionaries. Trump’s base is largely uneducated, lower-middle-class white Christians who don’t understand why liberals are radically deconstructing Western civilization around their ears and are terrified of the Brave New World liberals are ushering in. They are reacting out of fear, panic, and resentment towards a cultural elite that considers them ignorant rabble that needs to be told to shut the fuck up, rather than educated – and often it appears that the cultural elite doesn’t want to explain itself because whenever it tries, it’s so obviously intellectually bankrupt that even the uneducated rabble can see right through it.

Shouldn’t you be better than that? Isn’t that your whole premise? That you’re smarter than them?

What I really want to know is what your point is?

That it’s always projection. “Accuse the Lib left of doing the things we are doing! Then we don’t have to defend ourselves!”

resentment towards a cultural elite that considers them ignorant rabble that needs to be told to shut the fuck up, rather than educated – and often it appears that the cultural elite doesn’t want to explain itself because whenever it tries, it’s so obviously intellectually bankrupt that even the uneducated rabble can see right through it.

As opposed to you who considers the “Lib left” ignorant rabble that needs to be told to shut the fuck up, and don’t bother to explain yourself because you’re so obviously intellectually bankrupt that even the uneducated rabble can see right through it.

Shouldn’t you be better than that? Isn’t that your whole premise?

That’s some a-grade bullshit. Expecting an obvious criminal to face some justice and maybe not be put in charge again… that’s reactionary?

“hurr durr I don’t support trump but he didn’t do nothing wrong!”

Get bent you goon.

Of course, repubs are only fascists to own the libs! It makes so much sense!

Yes, basically. If you insist on calling every right-wing reaction “fascism,” then yes, people broadly support “fascism” because they hate liberal progressives. Every single country where fascism has ever arisen, it did so in response to leftist agitation.

Whatever you need to keep justifying your shitty beliefs there bud

“I don’t support Trump now enjoy as I spend multiple hours of my day explaining how he’s the GOAT”

“I’m so stupid I think I can win an argument by making up quotes. I literally have no idea what a strawman argument is.” - Facebones

My beliefs are entirely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.

trumpisn is fascism you dimwit

“Trumpism” isn’t even a thing. You give Donald Trump far too much intellectual credit.

Expecting an obvious criminal to face some justice and maybe not be put in charge again… that’s reactionary?

Please learn to read before insulting people. I said the “only way the lib left could make the reactionary right reject Trump…” Obviously, I was calling right-wingers who support Trump reactionary. You call me a goon, but you’re illiterate. So really, maybe you shouldn’t be insulting people.

Dude, you came barrelling into this comment section already angry and ready for a fight.

What’s your point? That I came here willing to argue with you caused lingh0e to fail a basic reading comprehension check?

You people engage in insults and tone-policing because you’re mindless NPCs whose politics is based entirely on group identification and you’re not actually capable of making real arguments. None of you can actually dig down into your belief system and justify it from first principles, nor do any of you have any real grasp of the intellectual underpinnings of your beliefs, nor are you cognizant of the history that has brought us to this point. You’re just screeching monkeys, flinging shit at things because you’re emotionally agitated. None of you actually thinks. That’s why lingh0e reacted with rage to a comment they didn’t even parse correctly, and it’s why you think I came here “angry” (you’re projecting your own emotions onto me).

You people engage in insults and tone-policing because… (Immediately resumes their insults and tone policing from other posts)

It’s always projection.

Thank you for proving my point.

Dude, come on. You were criticizing the – in your mind monolithic – left of getting angry too easily when you waltzed in here already pissed, hoping to make some “libtards” angry and prove your point. But you were the one that came in here pissed. You really owned the libs with that one bud.

There is no reason to have a real discussion with you because you never came in here for a discussion. That was never your intention and that is very clear.

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