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except for the bonkers idea that the 2a’s first 13 words for some reason don’t count.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…” and today’s non-regulated militia endangering the security of the free state are pretty fucking contrasting situations.

fuck all the gun nuts who love their fetish more than their country.

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What is the militia?

That isn’t a flippant question. I’d like a serious answer.

I’d like to know both the constitutional definition of “militia”, as used in Article I Section 8 and 2nd Amendment, as well as the legislative definition, as codified in 10 USC 246.

The answers I have learned are that the militia is “the whole body of the people” (constitutional meaning) and “every able bodied male citizen, aged 17 to 45”. (Legislative, paraphrased)

When you algebraically substitute either of those answers back into the 2nd amendment, you arrive at the only reasonable perspective: The whole body of the people, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

“But what about the well regulated part? Isn’t the militia unregulated?”

The militia is regulated under the powers granted to Congress under Article I Section 8 parts 15 and 16. Congress does have some regulations governing the militia. They have enacted legislation defining what part of the militia they intend to call forth, and how they intend to do that. They have enacted legislation obligating every male to register with selective service. They can enact many, many more regulations on the whole of the militia. If you feel YOU are not adequately regulated, I suggest you notify your congressional representatives, as they are the only ones currently empowered to adjust regulation of the militia.

You’ll have my support; I specifically called for such regulation in my last post.

TL;DR: You don’t get to complain about a lack of regulation when I’m specifically asking for more regulation.

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TL;DR: You don’t get to complain about a lack of regulation when I’m specifically asking for more regulation.

bump stocks do not represent a well regulated militia.

leaving weapons in the hands of people who have red flags is not representative of a well regulated militia.

no uniformity in your ‘militia’, regarding equipment training and supply does not represent a well regulated militia.

Congress does have some regulations governing the militia. They have enacted legislation defining what part of the militia they intend to call forth, and how they intend to do that.

By that logic - there has been no call-up of militia. Therefore anyone attempting to use this defense needs to justify their activities.

I’m not anti-firearm, I’m anti-idiots-having-firearms. I’m prior service army - weapons are tools and without training and regulations tools of any sort can represent a danger to the public. I despise the attitude that justifies bump stocks, especially after they were used in the largest, most deadly mass shooting - Route 91 Harvest music festival, Las Vegas, October 2, 2017: 60 killed, more than 850 injured. It’s not a tool - innocent use would compare it to a toy, malicious use would call it a fire volume multiplier for those that can’t pass a tax stamp and get an actual full auto platform - and it’s disgusting that it’s even up for discussion.

it’s absolutely bonkers that we even need to argue these points.

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By that logic - there has been no call-up of militia.

You don’t get called up to the militia. You get called forth from the militia. In joining the Army, you were, indeed, called forth from the militia and you answered that call. Your right to keep and bear arms was not contingent on there having been a call, nor on you answering a call. The right was guaranteed to you, because you have the individual and collective responsibility to secure the state.

no uniformity in your ‘militia’, regarding equipment training and supply does not represent a well regulated militia.

Don’t tell me. Tell Congress that you want to be subjected to additional regulation in your role as a militiaman. They seem to think that they have enough regulation on the militia already. You tell me what else you think you should be required to do. Not to secure your right to keep and bear arms: they are expressly prohibited from infringing in gun ownership. They can’t stop you from owning a gun, but they can compel you to participate in militia training, as you are a member of the militia.

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