128 points

trustworthy AI

Our initial offering will include ChatGPT, Google Gemini, HuggingChat, and Le Chat Mistral

What

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I would relatively ok with an implementation of Le Chat Mistral

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Defund Mozilla lmao. Absolute shipwreck of a company at this point.

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At least this is opt-in, and Firefox still allows for manifest v3 extensions, and, on the whole, isn’t using a engine funded by a billion dollar company that’s doing everything in it’s power to spy on you.

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Yeah i was kinda overreacting but it really isnt looking good for firefoxes future at this point imo. As long as its open source there will at least be forks like librewolf.

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Their whole company is funded by a billion dollar company that’s doing everything in its power to spy on you.

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4 points

You mean v2?

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10 points

Did you read the article? Why would adding an option to use ai in a side bar require shuttering a company?

“this week, we will launch an opt-in experiment”

And

“those who have opted-in will have the option to access their preferred AI service from the Firefox sidebar”

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If you are so keen to know, then you will just have to wait a few more years. Firefoxes development is rapidly derailing into nonsense recently. They will have to either kick out their current leadership or they will be reduced to a data sucking, adware company sooner or later.

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3 points

Who do we turn to for a browser? Not chromium based I don’t trust google codebase.

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Yeah idk either sadly. But i know that having only two relevant browsers on the market is like the US party system. Destined to fail.

Nothing lasts forever just like Steam or anything else will one day turn to shit. But pretending like everything is fine will just lead to lots of “we shouldve seen it coming”.

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Orion for macOS is pretty awesome.

I actually love Safari but on my work computer I’m forced to use their VPN and can’t run my ad blocking DNS stuff on it, so I use Orion with uBlock Origin on it. It’s basically Safari (built on WebKit) with support for Chrome and Firefox plug-ins (which can be selectively disabled).

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Idk I still hope a Servo-based browser somehow materializes itself someday, but if/when that happens, who knows.

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106 points

people please actually read the article not the headline; this is literally about accessibility improvements for blind and visually impaired people for generating alt text inside of documents and pdfs.

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That’s one of the things, but it’s also adding a dedicated sidebar for AI. That’s the sort of thing that should just be an extension, there’s absolutely no reason at all why that needs to be something built into the browser.

Developers should be providing alt text themselves, but in cases where they aren’t having a local image recognition model running to provide a description isn’t terrible as long as it’s either 100% local or completely opt-in.

The dedicated sidebar on the other hand feels very much like a cheap attempt to cash in on the AI fad.

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That’s the sort of thing that should just be an extension

It most likely is on the technical level, just shipped by default and integrated into standard settings instead of the add-on ones. And it’s going to be opt-in, so you won’t have to go into about:config to disable it. Speaking of: You’re looking for extensions.pocket.enabled, it should be false. And before you say “muh diskspace” it’s probably like 5k of js and css or such.

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21 points

yeah but AI bad no matter if it would be actually useful for once

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access their preferred AI service from the Firefox sidebar to summarize information, simplify language, or test their knowledge, all without leaving their current web page.

Our initial offering will include ChatGPT, Google Gemini, HuggingChat, and Le Chat Mistral

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Now we just need accessibility tools for the cognitively impaired that can’t seem to read the damn article.

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Many of the people complaining about a feature they would just disable and never use are also the same kinds of people who would complain about basic accessibility features and call them “unnecessary bloat”.

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Fuck braille bro

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Yeah, why do you think you can put bumps on my nice, flat screen. Entitles pieces of crap… :)

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I don’t care. I don’t want AI in my browser.

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15 points

Nice for you, fuck blind people.

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Blind people shouldn’t need to give up their privacy to Microsoft and Google to have a web page read to them.

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2 points

Great take.

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Ai ScArY!¡! And you haven’t ever used google translate?

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2 points

Some people care about privacy.

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no. why the hell would I use google spyware crap?

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65 points

“Trustworthy AI” + Recent aquisiton of an advertising analytics company + a call for people to inform on third party sources of Firefox = Down the enshitification rabbit hole we go.

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9 points

Any recommendations of a good alternative on android? I’m thinking I’ll move to librewolf on desktop but they don’t appear to have an android version.

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I use a fork from F-Droid called Fennec. I’m not sure off the top of my head how closely it tracks with upstream feature-wise but I know it strips out all of Mozilla’s tracking components and it’s always updated within a couple days of the upstream release.

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Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll check it out!

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9 points

I do like Mull, but I’m also uninformed and I don’t use my mobile browser all too much.

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3 points

Fair enough, research time for me! Thanks for the reply

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7 points

I use Fennec F-Droid on Android and LibreWolf on Linux/Mac/Windows.

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Thanks for the recommendation :D

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Everybody in the know is already using privacy forks on PC and phones… i guess it is time to get normies on boarded.

Man, they really are making it complicated though. If you want to fight them, jgot to keep switching. They know normies won’t :/

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58 points

Why does my open source browser need proprietary SaaS products stuffed into it?

Isn’t this what extensions are for?

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5 points

It also has google stuffed into it, and apparently the new consensus is that you need AI just as much for browsing as a search engine

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1 point

Who else is gonna parse through the AI search results? Not me.

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3 points

Firefox has a tendency to embed optional extensions as impossible to uninstall core features these days, so it would not change much.

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44 points

I wish they spent their time fixing bugs, rather than implementing this bullshit

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Can I ask areal question? I’m not trying to be a dick or smart ass, I legit don’t get this. What is bullshit here? I read the article and it seems like a useful feature to me.

“this week, we will launch an opt-in experiment”

“those who have opted-in will have the option to access their preferred AI service from the Firefox sidebar”

Is this opt in only feature really terrible? Because as a user of ai, not switching tabs sounds like a nice new feature to me.

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I strongly believe that generative AI is catastrophically misused in the vast majority of its applications, so in my eyes, adding gpt-based AI to the browser is largely a wasted effort

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I highly doubt they have one team that switches between experiments and bug fixes, never doing two things at once. Not to mention that something ultimately being ripped out isn’t necessarily wasted effort. They could likely easily pivot virtually anything they put into this specific experiment into any number of other uses.

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Why not both? A large project like this needs to fix bugs and also continue to refine its features for long term relevance.

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27 points

You will never achieve long-term relevance, by chasing immediately available buzzwords

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How long does AI need to be used, and how much demand needs to be sustained, for it to stop being called a “buzzword”? I’m a little dubious that NVIDIA became literally the most highly-valued company on Earth off the back of a mere “buzzword.”

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