164 points

This is the propaganda I can get behind.

And with trolleybuses powered on a renewable grid, it’s zero gallons!

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77 points

Or maybe tell bosses that if your job can be done remotely it should be done remotely. Then there’s more room on the bus for people who need to be in meatspace to do their jobs.

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30 points

If only bosses were open to persuasion.

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15 points

Yeah, tell it my boss. I had this conversation today with her.

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1 point

I wish I didn’t need hands for my job, 90% of it is brain work with a tinker here and there. I see so many videos of robotic hands being used for things and can’t wait for the day I can just send one of these out to a site equipped with some tools and just remotely tap into the video stream. It’s coming and I don’t think it will be too long. Hell, I’m just a layman and if you gave me a dedicated year and some funding I could get something viable up to par so I’m sure it’s possible, guess it just won’t profit anyone enough to sell it yet.

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We used to have trolleybuses when I was a kid in the 70’s, they were so insanely much more nice to ride than a diesel. No bad smell, and they were smooth and quiet.

I guess we will get back to something similar soon, but with batteries.

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It’s still a shame because the batteries are less environmentally friendly than the old trolley busses.

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Yes in some aspects, it’s like we are moving backwards. Funny since the talk about environment is more serious now than back then, still we often use unnecessarily polluting solutions, where the older “too expensive” solutions were viable when we had way less money as a country than we have now?

One would have thought the oil crisis had made us keep the trolley busses?

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While I agree with the comparison in the post, the trolleybus powered by renewable energy shouldn’t be compared to gas cars.

It should be compared to electric cars powered by renewable energy.

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27 points

I disagree, the bus is still replacing the purpose of the gas cars. The bus should just be compared to both gas and electric cars.

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7 points

It is easier and cheaper to make one larger electric vehicle than 68 smaller ones, and they would damage the road less too. Of course this kind of comparison between two different things is inherently very difficult to do fairly

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Trolleybuses are much lighter, cheaper and reliable than regular electric bus or car. Also: a car is still a car.

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Ik that ttolleybuses are better than electric cars in carbon footprint, traffic, etc. I’m just proposing that we compare things with the same power source together. It makes more impact to say that an electric trolley is x% better on y metric compared to electric cars, than to say they are x% better than gas cars.

Imagine a situation where you say electric trolleybuses are superior to gas cars for reasons x, y, and z on xcretion or speddit. Then some elon musk bootlicker or big oil bootlicker replies to you saying “what about electric cars” or “what about gas buses”? You craft a meticulous reply about why gas buses are better than electric cars. But it’s too late. Thousands of lurkers saw the bootlicker’s reply to you but will never see your rebuttal. Many of them are now more against public transportation.

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Nope, a car electric or not creates multiple issues like urbanism, pollution (i.e: noise, visual, microplastics), hotspots, hostiles environment like parking lots, increase deaths rates, consequences on flooding, etc.

A lot of them can be solved with public transportation.

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How are buses still not better? The ratio of individual people being moved to total mass being moved is better. The maintenance and insurance fees are collective. The driver of the bus is a trained professional vs some rando commuter.

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8 points

Trolleybuses are great. Fuck Sobyanin.

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New electric buses in London are fucking amazing, no need for trolleys.

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Until in 5-10 years when the batteries are fucked.

That’s the beautiful thing about trolley buses - they do not need a (substantial) battery. They are basically trains on wheels.

There are some places where battery powered buses make sense - for example, where I live, lucerne Switzerland, there is one bus line that just goes up and down a rather steep hill. By using recuperative braking, the battery powered bus is super efficient. For other, normal ‘high traffic’ lines, trolley makes so much more sense

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Trolleys don’t really make any sense. I come from Riga, it has a lot of trolleys and the city is designed around trolleys and trams. And yet modern trolleys have bloody diesel engines, because being permanently hooked to the wire makes no sense at all. It’s much better to have electric buses with a few overhead wires here and there to fast charge on the go.

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113 points

VPN uses 0 gallons.

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Acktually, to use a VPN, you would need to turn on your PC or phone, which uses a small but existent amount of petrol -🤓

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41 points

Solar power. Checkmate, atheists.

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6 points

and EV car. also fuck petrol. and gallons while I’m here.

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3 points

It’s nighttime doe

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1 point

The real waste is in converting solar to electricity. Use fiber optics, powered by light! Simplify! 🥴

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21 points

Hydroelectricity, nuclear, wind and solar BABEEYYYYYY!!!

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Hydro destroys environments, uses enormous amounts of concrete and the related disasters have killed orders of magnitude more people than nuclear.

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perfectly valid point to bring up on a community dedicated to hating on polluters even if it was originally just a joke. Pretty serious matters

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15 points

Very hard to deliver milk over VPN

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9 points

When was the last time you saw a milkman on a bus?

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That was, of course, just a random example of a job that cannot be done from home. A lot of jobs do require physical presence of people, that’s all I was trying to say.

Of course, a milkman would also require to travel to and fro their place of work, dunno why they cannot be on a bus for that.

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80 points

68 men plus the driver makes 69, amirite?

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But the driver is already at work

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85 points

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That made me laugh out loud in the literal sense of the phrase

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7 points

But how does the bus driver get to work?

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  1. Dormitory day before morning shift
  • Example: Moscow metro, national railway
  1. Night shift
  • Example: major city, national railway
  1. PMV
  • Example: a city
  1. Car
  • Example: shithole without public transit

To be fair 1 person using car is not 450 people that could use a car. To be fair at most 20% of people have a car in heavily car-centric cities. In good cities it hangs in single-digit.

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At some point, public transport had housing nearby the depots. Employees could walk or bicycle to the workplace.

Then some douchebag neoliberal thinking @&€#!?/((+ thought it was privilege and that it has to be cut…

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6 points

And it takes them all at the same time?? 😳

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Ah, you should see buses in my city. Dirty, thirty years old, overpopulated graves on wheels with no air conditioners.

Never again.

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That one bus company in the nearby city that absolutely refuses to replace their miserable old buses 🥴🤡 while the others run modern air conditioned hybrids, and some fully electric

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2 points

You have multiple bus companies in one city?

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5 points

Privatisation ☹️

Recently the fares were combined so we no longer need to get separate tickets for each

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with no air conditioners.

Dear Faust. Are they using Soviet minibuses?

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Ha! I have nothing but good memories about PAZ-3205. Fast, comfortable, with working AC.

LIAZ-677, on the other hand… now that’s a proper torture machine

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/LiAZ-677_bus_in_Bor.jpg

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LIAZ-677, on the other hand… now that’s a proper torture machine

Whoa! Bus from 60-ies!

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Thirty years old is a perfectly reasonable age for a big chunk of a city’s fleet. You’re still talking kneeling busses.

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4 points

Then start campaigning for better public infrastructure.

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31 points

Recently visited York (UK) and they have a fantastic bus system - and they’re electric.

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Busses in my city are also going electric. So far only the local routes. The longer distance routes are still diesel

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