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Good.

Australian with three cats here - they’re all indoor and happy about it because i’m not a shitarse pet owner. An outdoor cat in Australia is ecological genocide

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From the cats perspective I think it’s quite uncontroversial to say they’d be happier roaming free.

EDIT: I’d really love to hear the argument for why a cat actually prefers to live its enitire life indoors, despite this being something we’ve only done to them for the past few decades or so.

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I mean even if they would rather be outside, they live longer inside, they are healthier and they would have better deads

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We’ve selected for traits that make some of them only really suitable at being indoor companions or mouse hunters.

Hairless cats for just one instance.

These aren’t wild animals.

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Okay, sure, but that doesn’t apply to the vast majority of cats. Your average house cat is much more a wild animal than a dog for example and it’s quite ridiculous to think they’d prefer being indoors.

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I could literally leave my back door wide open and Cerys would not step foot out it. She hates the outdoors. Punkin’s stuck his nose out a few times, but it holds no real interest for him and Misha - who was an abandoned cat that literally decided to move in with us and has lived an extensive part of her life as an in-out cat could not give a shit about going outside.

Needs are met - food, safety, security and entertainment - they’re very happy.

But all of that is downright irrelevant. We are talking about an introduced species that wreaks unimaginable ecological damage if left to its own devices. Why the almighty fuck would a cat’s fee-fees override that? Not to mention the cat safety issues. I mean i’m sure punkin would be ‘happier’ with his balls intact merrily raping and impregnating his sister and mother but that shit ain’t happening either.

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No.

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78 points

Good, should be enforced world wide.

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Along with mandatory spay/neuter. Make it a crime to intentionally avoid spaying and neutering cats and dogs.

Oh, you’re a breeder? I used to work at a no kill animal shelter. You’re the bane of my, and every stray animal’s, existence. FUCK animal breeders.

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Remember folks, adopt, don’t shop. Not only is it just significantly more moral, mutts are far less likely to have health issues from inbreeding that will shorten their lives. You get more time with your four legged loved ones

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And the pet stores that buy from those breeders.

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I mean, if such a campaign is ever completely successful, along with one for capturing or fixing stray and feral animals, there would need to be some amount of breeding of them or they’d eventually go extinct. Perhaps with regulation on both practices that lead to unnecessary health problems (like inbreeding or breeding for harmful traits like squashed faces) and on numbers to avoid breeding more of a specific sort of animal than there exists demand for.

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Maybe add a safeguard to it, so that when local animal shelters are at 10% capacity the regulation is temporarily lifted or something. Realistically, it would never be totally successful anyway.

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Are you confusing ‘breeder’ with ‘pet mill’? Ghetto breeding was horrible to my family involved in animal care and salvation. Actual breeders, though, not so much.

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I’m talking about anyone who intentionally takes an unneutered male animal and an unspayed female animal and intentionally puts them together to make and sell babies. Especially inbreeders. The only purebred animal that I can accept is sheepdogs, because they aren’t bred for looks, they’re bred for intelligence.

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I mean, there’s responsible breading and irresponsible breeding. My mum has always kept setters of both the Irish and English varieties. The breeders she gets them aren’t just pumping endless dogs out for profit, they’re taking good care of the bitches.

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Unless the shelters in your area are consistently well below capacity, it’s still incredibly immoral

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9 points

Good luck getting the UK on board, something like 90% of cats are outdoor cats here

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Domestic cats have been in the UK for ~2000 years, and wildcats for >~8000 years.

Their only real predators in the UK are cars and dogs, and most British bird species are well acquainted with cats, and on the whole aren’t at high risk. Recommendations say an outdoor cat is a healthy, happy cat.

The RSPB (bird conservation charity) doesn’t find them a major problem here, but do recommend:

  1. Neuter them
  2. Keep them in at dawn, dusk & night
  3. If they ever kill a bird, put a bell or beeper on the collar

Which seems a reasonable set of recommendations.

On the other hand, the USA and Australia don’t have the thousands of years of history of cats as part of the ecosystem, and they have all these wild dog-type-things and snappy reptile things etc, so the cats are in more danger, and the native bird species are at higher risk. Recommendations say an outdoor cat is a bird-murdering machine that’s about to get run over by a giant SUV and then eaten by drop-bears.

My Eastern European neighbours think it’s weird that we let the cats inside at all. They think they should live entirely outside.

So I guess “different countries, different rules”.

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9 points

Finally some sense in these cat posts

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More than countries, different ecosystems different rules. Mainland USA and Hawaii have different ecological rules for good reason.

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3 points

Doesn’t the US have wild felines of some kind?

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From a UK perspective, it seems unbelievably cruel to keep a cat locked indoors. The hunting instinct is one of a cat’s main drives, so to take that away is equivalent to removing sleep or food. I understand the issues around cats and wildlife in other countries, but I think the solution is to just not have domestic cats rather than trying to imprison them.

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5 points

The answer is to give them toys and playing with them

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I think the solution is to just not have domestic cats rather than trying to imprison them.

I agree, it’s a cruel to keep a cat indoors than to put a goldfish in a very small bowl or feeding an animal vegan food. Unpopular opinion, seeing how fond people are about their furry killers, but it’s the only real way to remedy this problem.

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Not everywhere are cats a problem.

They are literally native to Africa and parts of Asia. In most of Europe they have been held for thousands of years and are not a threat to the ecosystems.

Taking Countries with invasive species as a global role model makes no sense.

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It’s crazy how it’s seen as socially acceptable to “adopt” or “rescue” them and then release them to freely roam your neighbourhood as an invasive species.

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Aww but lil Spencer was so happy and always knew how to avoid cars before he got run over

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There are a handful of kitties in our neighborhood and fuck, they make me so nervous any time they’re even remotely close to the road. As far as I know they’re all housed, and the lady a few doors down to me said, “just tell him to go home and he will!” If I see him on the wrong side of the road I pick his ass up and put him back in his yard.

My cats stay inside. We’ve let them out on the deck (supervised) but the rule is if one single toe bean leaves the deck, it’s inside time.

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Both domesticated and feral cats — like the one pictured above in New York — pose a threat to Australia’s biodiversity, experts say.

I know what they meant by this, but I still find it amusing that a cat in New York could pose a threat to Australia’s biodiversity.

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They send a lot of hate mail.

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Well you see, since its owner doesn’t properly watch it, it likes to travel. It even travels to Australia to go hunting.

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he’s a shady fucker that one.

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TNR works, as feral cats often cannot be adopted past a certain age, they just won’t let humans near them willingly. But there isn’t a need to kill cats for not wanting to be adopted, they can be fed and over time their population can be dramatically reduced, it just requires actual commitment to the program and free access to spay and neutering services to the public.

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