These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,… whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.

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Ok everyone chill. Yeah, it sucks. But we kinda foresaw this ever since Biden decided to run again. Take a deep breath, think about it more later. The worst thing is to be angry instead of smart. Remember George Floyd. Remember specifically how everyone got angry and did dumb things about it, and today efforts at police reform are actually in a worse place than they were before he was murdered on video.

Think about ways to counter Trump that will be more effective and less just expressions of rage. I think the biggest problem is the media that really plays to Trump’s reality TV-style politics. It’s not enough to wine that the voters are too stupid, but what do we do about it?

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It’s not enough to wine that the voters are too stupid,

this is ultimately the problem though. The voter base is fucking retarded, and it’s fuelled by a massive propaganda machine. There is literally nothing we can do here.

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Every federal judge and probably the supreme Court for the rest of our lives is going to be wholly owned by the dictatorship. Checks and balances are essentially broken at this point in the president can do whatever he wants with impunity. What about to hit a massive recession. What smart thing do you think were going to do about it?

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massive recession. What smart thing do you think were going to do about it?

I remember 2008 like yesterday. “Nobody hiring. Mass layoffs. No jobs.”, and then it seems like that same cycle has just been on regular repeat the rest of our lives up to this point. (Meanwhile, record profits because of course!)

This is what I really worry about. I’m still trying but still on the same treadmill. I’m not a super genius or a heartless grifter, so I don’t really know if I can be clever enough for us to get through this… And that scares the crap out of me.

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You don’t need to be faster than the bear, you just need to be faster than the other slowest campers.

Health care and small ticket entertainment industries are more recession-proof than new car sales and home sales.

Stay away from big public corporations that are going to fire a bunch of people as soon as the stocks dip a few percent.

Make sure your boss knows about the family you’re supporting, but in a friendly, proud way If you have kids make sure their pictures are on your desk

If you’re in some field where there’s new and different technology around it’s not a bad thing to brush up continue education , Even if it’s just something as simple as watching YouTube videos and talking with your boss about it, especially if it’s something they mention that they have an interest in.

I know being a bootlicker is terribly out of fashion, but, within reason, try to make yourself the most useful cog you can be. Don’t kill yourself bending over, don’t just let them take a wild advantage of you, But try to make sure that in your boss’s mind that there are people the team who are more replaceable than you are.

With any luck we won’t have to endure a pandemic at the same time

None of this in the end may help, it’s merely suggestions to help you position yourself.

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the president can do whatever he wants with impunity.

I’m still hoping Biden uses that to finish Trump. That will lead surely you a civil war, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay as somebody who doesn’t live in the US.

Only half /s

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They did make a solid attempt at making coups legal.

There’s simply no way, the Democrats are going to look at the voting results and go this is what was legitimately voted for let it happen.

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Had us in the first half, not gonna lie. LOL

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What we often call “the government” is actually many separate systems each with several moving parts. One man doesn’t control it, no matter what sentences are written on what pieces of paper. Trump has all the corruption he needs, but he’s not smart enough to know what he’s doing.

So to act like there’s no hope is just way too defeatist. Trump is gonna fail, and we can exploit those failures. But the last time we didn’t react to his failures correctly, because of course he just won again after what most historians consider the worst presidency in American history. So the first smart thing we can do is ask where the anti Trump messaging and media failed. And actually try to answer that question.

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Because we did such a good job of that in his last presidency and he wasn’t a god king yet. /s

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ROFL. George Floyd is one of the few good examples of popular mobilisation in the US and you’re using it somehow as a point of how it’s bad to protest???

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What did the mobilization accomplish? I watched as police reform in my area, which seemed on the path to success pre-George Floyd, was killed off in a backlash to the protests and riots. Chauvin was convicted not on the protests, but because of the people who stood there and got the video. Beyond that, I can’t see a single point of lasting success for BLM. By embracing inflammatory but attention grabbing messaging like ACAB and defund the police, they got attention alright, but that attention ended up painting the whole police reform movement as a bunch of rabid psychos.

See this article for a more well researched take on what I’m saying. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-views-on-black-lives-matter-have-changed-and-why-that-makes-police-reform-so-hard/

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Then you’re showing your privilege, and clearly haven’t seen the thousands of images and videos of shredded children coming out of Palestine for the past year.

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A blank check is a blank check. Doesn’t matter if it comes from someone who claims they do it reluctantly, or someone who does it enthusiastically.

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And if that is the only point worth voting for then so be it, but pretty sure there are vastly different stances on other things that should change your mind.

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Cope lol. Harris has consistently shown her message to be “fuck Palestine”. You call it a harm reduction, yet how are you going to explain the harm already done, and the point of harm reduction? Is Israel going to genocide less-lightly? Kill all the people in Palestine a little bit slower? What’s the difference in the end, there is absolutely none.

Harris polls this shittily because of Palestine and going against what people want. That’s why suddenly 2 days before the election the messaging changed to “we love Palestine we will end the war really quickly!”.

The reality is you cannot run a campaign on “but Trump worse!”. You need something that makes you different, you need policy. That’s why Kamala’s CNN Town Hall was such a huge failure - the only thing she talked about is how she isn’t Trump. Acting as if “people are stupid if they don’t vote, vote 3rd party or vote Trump” is a valid statement only shows the blindness of what’s actually happening. And what’s happening is if you only care about Palestine / Middle East, both candidates will happily stand by and letting it burn.

Remember, this all could stop immediately using one phone call to Netanyahu. We know that, because things like this stopped immediately after such phonecalls. But there needs to be a political will to do that, and there is none right now, or in the future.

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Jesus Christ people… these are humans who voted with concerns for themselves and their communities. Just because you didn’t get what you wanted or you did get what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s carte Blanche to say the most fucking heinous shit about each other.

They wants us divided.

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Listen, either what happened is OK or it isn’t. And when you say “these are humans who voted with concerns for themselves and their communities” it makes seem like electing a felon, rapist, insurrectionist moron to the highest office is OK.

So that’s why I’m here writing to you: to fucking tell you that it’s not, and to ask you to not try to justify it or make this shit sound reasonable. It’s not.

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No one is going to listen to your points if you come from a place of hatred. It may not be “okay” but it doesn’t mean someone who didn’t vote for Kamala for one reason is the same as another who may be a serial sociopath. Everyone has their reasons. You’ll reach people by talking to them about it. Not chastising them.

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No one is going to listen to your points if you come from a place of hatred.

72 million Trump voters embraced the hatred Trump spewed. Literally look at what you’re saying and apply it to what happened the other day and decide yourself if you’re wrong or right.

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He’s right, though.

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Get ready for all the stages of grief at the same time and I’ll warn you.
Most people get stuck on denial and anger.

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Lots of anger in here.

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I wonder if those folks who cast a protest vote for Jill Stein will be sleeping soundly tonight… I sure hope not. I hope they’re fucking terrified.

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You definitely are going to sleep better by not supporting any criminal with blood on his hands. There’s many other things other than voting you can do to change things for good, if you are not fine with Jill Stein and believe she’s evil don’t vote for them either

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Isn’t Jill Stein effectively a republican asset at this point? Like not just a spoiler candidate but one actively funded by the right?

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Of course they are sleeping soundly. They’d literally be marching into the camps convinced they did the right thing.

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“F ė brıf momimt, Uı þıŋk ð establicmint lṙnd itſ leſėn…”

spoiler

“For a brief moment, I think the eetablishment learned its lesson…”

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Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.

The difference is I am also terrified about what will happen with the Democrats in power. About the unlimited slop being handed to the military-industrial complex so they can ship guns to Israel to continue a genocide. About the crackdown on immigrants and refugees. About the global poor being crushed under the bootheels of American-led capitalism.

To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans, something I simply cannot do. You want to vote for Harris as harm reduction, be my guest. But understand that the problems facing America cannot, and will not, be solved by voting. Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.

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Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.

Totally with you!

Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.

Ah, you lost me. You see a problem, but you seem to be unwilling to accept that there are incremental steps to solving that problem, and the first step is to make sure Trump loses this election. If you aren’t doing everything you can to effect that result, you are, to put it simply, fucking up.

To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans

Netanyahu wants Trump to win, and with good reason. Harris might not have good policy with regards to Israel / Palestine, but Trump’s is indisputably worse, if you aren’t staunchly pro-Israel. Furthermore, Harris is better in pretty much every measurable metric including climate change, where Trump’s “Burn it all down” policy would doom us all.

To be clear, if I was going to be a single issue voter, climate change would be that issue, not foreign policy, because if we fuck that one up, everyone loses.

It’s cool, though - I’m sure the people dying in Gaza if Trump wins will understand that you couldn’t vote for “better” because it wasn’t “perfect”. Your 12-16 year plan for change will surely make them feel better about their situation, when Trump is encouraging Israel to do whatever they need to to end the conflict quickly.

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With how few actual thoughts go through their minds I’m sure they’ll sleep well enough.

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If you’re so concerned about 3rd parties being a spoiler, then you must work towards replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state.

With a more representative electoral system, people would be free to vote for those they feel best represent them, with their vote still being counted against the republicans.

State level electoral reform is possible, some states have already done away with FPTP voting, and others are voting on it!

Given how this structural flaw in our voting system can be repaired, and your high level of concern of the spoiler effect, I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your new commitment to replacing FPTP voting in your state after the election.

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replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state

Yeah, well, incidentally, ranked choice voting was on the ballot in 2020. We had a sign out encouraging people to vote for it, and I talked it up to whomever it would listen when political discourse came up, but it didn’t pass, so here we still are.

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This isn’t a shower thought. This is propaganda.

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Chilling and saying hi to your neighbour is propaganda??

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No, the title is. Pure fearmongering.

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Explain like I’m five.

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