142 points

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2016, I will judge you but I could forgive you.

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2020, I will judge you and will have a hard time forgiving you.

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2024, you’re dead to me. Friend, family, doesn’t matter.

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36 points

I wish I could say the same but I can’t bring myself to cut my dad out of my life. Yesterday ended our 2 year streak of talking every day.

He learned years ago not to bring up politics with me because he knows I will destroy all of his arguments and bring receipts. He’s let a comment or two slip at a family gathering but he knows my phone’s coming out of I’m within earshot… No, dad, he was definitely friends with Epstein - here’s a quote saying so from the 90s.

I’ve thought a lot about bringing it up or at the very least what my response would be if he does. I want to tell him that he has 20 years left at best but I have to live in the world he voted for a lot longer. I want to tell him that I think my sister would be right to never speak to him again. I want to tell him that she may be young, but in 15 years my niece is going to rightfully resent him for what he supported.

But what I think I’m going to actually tell him is that he fucked up so bad that I HAVE to assume he truly does not understand the implications of this if I ever want to be able to look him in the eye again.

And every single time Trump does something shitty as president, I will be texting him what it was and why it’s bad whether he likes it or not.

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18 points

My father and I became estranged about a decade before he passed, for reasons other than but similar to politics. Our world views just did not align and in ways that I could not ultimately forgive. We did not really ever reconcile before his passing and I don’t regret it to this day. I don’t believe in unconditional love and he did not earn mine, imho. I am estranged with most of my extended family for similar reasons. I’m not really willing to compromise certain morals.

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4 points

This might sound bad but I wish I had a similar level of resolve. I tolerate far too much insanity from people in my family.

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That’s fine. I have no contact with his entire side of the family except one cousin for that very reason, but my dad isn’t like them. I don’t think he understands that he votes R because his family has always voted R. His vote is really the only thing I dislike about him.

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The good fight. Keeping majority voters accountable for the choices they impose on everyone else is as much a part of democracy as anything else, especially with candidates who actually deliver on the promises they make during elections.

God speed. I hope you can be reunited with your family again.

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I am fortunate that there is no real family divide for me. I do have a few relatives who voted Trump, but I am not close to them.

Given that the rest of the family has cut them out (it was already underway, but this was the last straw), it’s really nothing for me to do so as well.

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I did in 2016. I was younger and angry at the world. That judgment is deserved. By 2020 I realized that I had made a terrible mistake and was sure not to repeat it. It’s good to read that you can at least understand the perspective of how someone could have at that time.

Some people never learn. This would appear to be the case for most Americans.

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5 points

What made you change your mind?

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10 points

This may not be a satisfying answer, but I went through some hard times between 2016 and 2020 and gained more compassion for how close any of us are to destitution. It became really difficult for me to be as selfish after those years because, well, I appreciated that happens to good people and we don’t have a social safety net.

Experience showed me you can make the right choices and still get fucked. I just wish there was a way to teach that lesson that’s a little less uh painful.

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I think issues are too complicated for uneducated voters to understand when lectured to. People can learn, but many often only in hindsight when they experience something first hand. The educated/uneducated divide sheds light on this so obviously. Which is why it is so frustrating. Not suggesting being educated makes people smarter, but I think people who pursue education are more accepting of lecture. Obviously.

Democrats have to stop and realize this. It’s why there is no debate to be had with many Republicans. They don’t think about issues through rational extrapolation and curiosity. Everything is an emotional response to the now. They are just wired that way.

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7 points

That’s fair…

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10 points

The religious fanatic psychopaths behind the scenes of MAGA, if successful in their goals, will ensure there is no history.

Dark times is an understatement.

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40 points

they had every right to be frustrated with how things are, but this will not fix anything and they will find out very quickly. its a shame.

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36 points

The problem with simply being “frustrated” about current material conditions is that frustration is unproductive. You have to channel it into something. If that “something” is fucking fascism, you’re an evil person without morals. So while I understand how it happens I cannot absolve people of the crime of voting for an open fascist.

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22 points

they will find out very quickly

If they were going to realize it, they would’ve realized it after the first Trump term (and 2020 especially). They’ll continue to eat up lies that blame whatever marginalized group they’re hating that day.

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7 points

The shame is that they won’t care. These people will just find another scapegoat and punt the ball down the line.

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8 points

Just something that’s worth pointing out is that trumps voter base didn’t change much. Counting is still happening, but so far it’s trump -1 mil and Harris -13 million from last election.

So it’s not so much that republicans voted badly it’s that democrats lost a good chunk of votes (16%) didn’t bother to vote this time.

And while I completely disagree with trumps side, it’s insane, but at least I am happy that people voted. Voter apathy is far more dangerous to me. It’s like saying to politicians, “I don’t care that the nazi party is coming to power”.

To me that’s the biggest issue this election and honestly I don’t understand why so few people cared. It’s actually same story over here (UK), where we had fewer people voting this election than previous one.

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It sounds like the Democrats just failed to present themselves as a viable alternative, or really inspire or motivate anyone to vote. Their platform seemed to be largely not being Trump.

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6 points

I could understand Trump in 2016. I could also understand Trump in 2020 but much less. In 2024? Nahh… America voted for him in 2024 and I will judge Americans for it.

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