And so it begins…
Let me get this right. So, you know exactly who this man is and what he stands for. Yet, you elect him anyway. You know he’s been “joking” about this before. Yet, you elect him anyway. He’s a convicted felon. Yet, you elect him anyway.
I’ve lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans. You went into this with eyes wide open. You deserve what’s coming.
You deserve what’s coming.
You’re talking to the people who tried to stop him, so fuck off.
He’s talking broadly, to Americans. Which you and I are. And he’s right, we deserve this. As a country.
As an individual, neither of us do, since we fought and voted against him. But that’s not what OP was saying. He wasn’t addressing you specifically, but our nation in the second person.
nope, it’s the usual European smug superiority complex I see all over Lemmy, as if they don’t have the same problems there (not to mention have had in the past). They can enjoy gloating until the same thing happens in their country, which won’t be long.
I voted for Kamala, and got a handful of others to as well, don’t include me with the rest of them. I don’t deserve this.
By what logic? Unless you think that participating in the electoral process at all makes you complicit in the outcome whatever it is this doesn’t really tally.
Let me get this right. So, you know exactly who this man is and what he stands for. Yet, you elect him anyway. You know he’s been “joking” about this before. Yet, you elect him anyway. He’s a convicted felon. Yet, you elect him anyway.
I’ve lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans. You went into this with eyes wide open. You deserve what’s coming.
60% of eligible voters didn’t vote. It can be debated if they are complacent or if party leadership didn’t Sufficiently motivate them to vote
Of the 40% eligible voters that did vote, 50% voted for trump and 48% voted for Harris.
So depending on how you look at it, 19% of eligible voters actively didn’t vote for Trump, or 20% of eligible voters actively voted for Trump.
We could also go on to say that, of those who voted for trump, there was a portion that was not informed which could partially be blamed on the media as well as party leaderships. Some of them are just in a cult mentality and while that doesn’t excuse their behavior, they are actively being manipulated. And then there are a bunch of voters who genuinely just want to watch the world burn.
I’m sure we could dissect this many ways, but i can can’t see how everyone deserves what’s coming. For example , I didn’t ask for this. I actively volunteered my time to try to prevent it. Yeah, a good chunk of Americans are idiots. But not all of us deserve what’s coming. Fuck that.
I’ve lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans.
Says the guy who is happy to damn tens of millions of people who didn’t vote for this (not to mention all the kids and such) right along with those who did.
Hey, I’m in the US, I voted against Trump, I’m likely going to suffer if he is able to accomplish a smidgen of what he has talked about, and I think we got what we deserved. I know a lot of innocent people are going to suffer, but this is a country of very selfish people. Even some of the most liberal people I have met in this country still have a very selfish mindset and reason for the liberal bent. As soon as they attain a position where they have an advantage they basically pull up the ladder. I’m personally tired of it.
People are going to die, ecosystems are going to burn, countries may very well fall. My only hope is that things only get bad enough that the masses learn an important lesson that at least lasts for their generation and that recovery is possible in that time frame.
It’s not that I don’t care. It’s not even that I don’t have the fight left in me. I just don’t see any kind of path to a better place without substantial harm occurring first. I will not be happy to be right. I want to be wrong.
dictators dont steal or take control. its handed to them.
It’s just a joke 🤣… he’s got like 5 years of good cognitive abilities tops. Then after he’ll be like all the other old farts. Barely makes any sense and is just totally old and dilapidated. No way they’re gonna keep him in power then. He might just croak.
That’s why Thiel made sure that J. D. Vance was his VP. Vance would inherit the dictatorship.
He’ll do what Putin did. Have Vance run as President, and run as his Vice-President. He’ll maintain control like Dick Cheney with Bush.
You know as well as I do the 14th is very vague and up for interpreting what a traitor is. The partisan Supreme Court already decided he’s not a traitor. Let it go already.
The 12th is not vague and would need a super majority to override.
The point is if they do not care, they wouldn’t even bother to pretend. He’d just stay in office or run again.
The dance of running as VP doesn’t make any sense as either they don’t care and it’s not necessary, or they do care and that’s not a loophole that exists.
Besides, IIRC Kanye and Trump had a falling out over a suggestion that Trump would take a backseat to Kanye in a campaign. Trump won’t settle for even the appearance of ‘second place’.
He is 78, in awful health, and has no interest in a legacy or supporting a successor. He keeps everyone around him at odds and maintains enough infighting that no clear heir apparent could really show up.
So like, he really only will hold power long enough to make everything terrible. So we got that goin for us.
Yep, when trump dies his “movement” explodes. They won’t consolidate around one, and trump would never have a clear successor because then he risks everyone siding with them.
MAGA ain’t a movement it’s a person.
When he’s gone the knives come out and the party will balkanize itself
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
The only right way to be an optimist about the big picture is to make sure you’re ready for when shit goes sideways on the day to day stuff.
For instance a big silver lining about four years of trump, this is one of the few scenarios people stay politically engaged after the election, thru the midterms, and onto 2028.
Republicans have the Oval, the House, and the Senate. There is not much they can do that people will blame on Dems.
Historically he’ll lose House or Senate in two years. Hopefully both, but ideally the Senate. There’s benefits to the other way around too tho.
Adjust your timescale you’re looking at this with. 4 years ain’t long, two years ain’t shit. Think of all the fucked up horrible shit we’ve done as a country. Realize that even if things get worse then they ever been in America (incredibly unlikely) we’ve bounced back before and we’ll bounce back eventually again.
This is going to suck.
But 20 years from now we might look back on this as the last speed bump before we finally fixed our political system. Empires burn down all the time, but ash makes fertile soil.
Ideally, we would have avoided all this risk, but we didn’t, and for the time being, the best self-care for most of us is to keep in mind scenarios that may play out to reduce harm. Infighting has long been a normal to happen when the GOP asserts itself, so it’s not crazy to imagine it being ultimately the block for attempts to dismantle some of the political structure (the powerful players know how to play this game, and are hopefully worried enough about losing that power in any big change that they will work to protect the mechanisms currently in play).
You know how long Caesar was dictator for life before he was assassinated? Less than a year.
But the damage was done, and Rome had a civil war over whether it would go back to being a Republic like it had been or if it would have an autocratic ruler. Obviously, the latter won out.
A lesson from history.
Let’s not lump Trump in with Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar was a war hero and a capable leader who’s final crimes were giving out citizenship and housing.
Trump’s final crimes will be giving all our state secrets to every other government in the world and obliterating our infrastructure.
