59 points

I’m prepared for the downvotes knowing where I’m posting.

If you hate it that much, why are you using it? It’s a tool. It’s useful. It also allows you to overindulge, but that says more about you than the tool.

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41 points

Yet, you engage with society. Curious.

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I don’t create posts claiming smart phones ruined every aspect of society dude

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37 points

they are implying you are the orange shirt guy

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I don’t use it. At all. But nevertheless I still have to deal with people constantly telling me that I need to use their ‘app’, and or only giving information in the form of a QR code. I still have to navigate around zombie-people staring at their phones while they walk around. I still have to deal with the fall-out of bad online interactions that kids have had. and so on. The attention-span issue that the green-text mentions results in a dumbing-down of news and media and basically all kinds of information sharing…

This stuff negatively affects me in obvious and measurable ways, even though I don’t use any of the features of this ‘tool’.

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7 points

Not using the device doesn’t suddenly end its impacts on society.

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knowing where I’m posting.

a place where people call each other out for saying stupid shit?

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1 point

Wow

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I would say that it is also a fault of the device if it encourages this brain-dead overindulgence that is clearly of the interest of many big advertisement companies. You can choose a device and OS tho and install apps that lessen the effect, but an simpler phone might not have all the bells and whistles but can get you quite far without offering such a possibility to lose hours off your brain just turned off.

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I just got a new phone and someone asked me “do you like it?” I hesitated to answer and they assumed “that’s a no”. Well, not really, it works well and does what I need it to. But do I like it? Not really, its a tool of necessity for operating in modern society. I like my steam deck, I like my speakers, I like my bike, but liking my phone is sort of similar to liking my work laptop. It’s just a thing I have to have or be really very inconvenienced.

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I myself feel conditioned to have it over a dumb phone. Companies and people assume that you have one, and the thing I find the most offending is obsessive QR overusage. I hate that.

If it’s on a banner or in a document, it rarely ever have plain text address. They are on all of my bills, as mobile banking is popular and you are supposed to trust it and open it in your banking app lol (although it’s payment info in a specific format, not a web link). It’s also used in 2FA\registration for apps and you can’t login into popular messengers without scanning a pattern and my workplaces used some of them for all internal communications. And whenever I scan anything or refuse, I see them everywhere, this sharp b\w noise that is not a part of a human world, but rather meant for machines. These technological shenanigans occupying the visual landscape is probably why I can jump from not wanting a smartphone myself to disliking others having them. And with how it locks you from pretty essential things I can see the next step is having government services only availiable in Zuckerberg’s Metaverse. That’s when I’d call quit on that fuckyverse.

/rant

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I think QR codes are cool because it’s literal computer data in ink. You can draw a QR code with a pencil if you know how to encode the data. It’s like a punch card, a physical manifestation of digital data.

However using a QR code is really freaking annoying, especially if you have a cheaper phone. I always configure my phone to only show the encoded string and not click the links because fuck normalizing blindly clicking links

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I used one of those promos to get a bunch of free stickers made and I did a QR code to lemon party with my friend’s Instagram at the bottom. I travel a lot for work so I was going to post them up everywhere. Unfortunately I got them printed in yellow which made the QR code not work.

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I find them really fascinating, especially their error-correcting, but I do find them weird occupying every banner without any alternative and trashing our human world with too much of them, outside of the discussion of them being too much needed for functioning in our society.

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It’s a powerful tool, but the power isn’t yours.

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the guy exclusively lists cultural phenomena. how would not using a phone personaly solve any of these?

“It’s just a tool” is such an ignorant statement in general. The tools we use have been shaping or culture for thousands of years. There is no choice not to take part in the current state of humanity. “It’s just a tool” is what people who want to sell you their technology tell you to make you forget about the effects it can have on a bigger scale.

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I don’t have one, I’m browsing from my computer. I still go through all the inconveniences listed above and some more. Checkmate, smartphone user.

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As someone who carries around a flip phone on purpose, it’s not impossible to live without a smartphone, but it’s getting more challenging.

Ticketmaster now requires a smartphone. You can’t print tickets. Which means I can no longer go to baseball games.

So far, that’s the only thing I’ve found that’s a hard block, but many other things are certainly not designed for the phone impaired.

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19 points

Smartphones are using me more than I use them. I hate them, and love them, and hate that I love them.

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A lot of those are problems caused by phones regardless of whether one uses one themselves.

But for the personal ones, there are self aware addicts of all kinds. Smokers know cigarettes are killing them, complain about them, sometimes even hate them but can’t stop.

Edit: pair o words

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10 points

That’s a fair and well measured response. It begs the question of what we can do as individuals, and when it comes to smart phones I don’t think there’s much.

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Thanks, I basically agree with you.

Like most of the tragic collective action problems (phones, climate change, sweatshops etc) I’m just trying to moderate as best I can for my own soul/health and try not to be too sad about it.

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network effects

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For someone sharing OP’s opinion, simply “not using it” wouldn’t solve anything. Most of the problems OP lists is stems from that people in general use them.

I’m not saying you should agree with OP, but your argument misses the point.

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You don’t hate smartphones; you hate capitalism.

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none of those items listed are impossible communism. Its smartphones that suck. The difference is, with capitalism you have a choice not to use them.

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For your mental health, block tankies on sight

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Spotted a dipshit. Blocking…

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But rampant and unchecked capitalism is still what ruined all of those things, whether or not it’s possible in other systems. The constant drive for line go up drives tons of shitty behaviors that directly lead to enshitification.

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18 points

Ah yes in communism you have no choice and must use smartphone or else!

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Smartphones are a tool. They are inherently not bad nor good.

Social media ruined it by using algorithms to keep you glued to your phone as much as possible.

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good luck getting a job without having a smartphone

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a lot of the issues listed are related to the impact of technology on our lives. not on the system that controls the means of the technology’s production. unless you’re trying to say that smartphones are only possible under a capitalist society?? but im assuming you’re not saying something that ridiculous. or are you one of those freaks that thinks communism will solve all existential woes, even aging and mortality lol i hope not. because life is gonna have shit in it no matter what and being pampered to death is absolutely a thing. that’s essentially the smart phone problem. thousands of potential dating partners a swipe away, hundreds of memes and videos constantly being uploaded to the brain, yeah it’s going to impact you. this is bigger than economics.

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Ruined these things for you maybe. I still enjoy them. And don’t use my phone for most. One of the things I live about the phone is being able to communicate with my friends and family I want. I also enjoy having the majority of the worlds information available to me. Ooooo and music. Soooo much music at my fingertips.

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NO! You are not allowed to enjoy things, you must be sad, capitalism bad, communism is solution to all our problems. enshitification. enshitification. enshitification. 😡

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Gotta respect the rules. Enjoyment canceled.

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Capitalism is demonstrably bad. Very few people are claiming communism fixes everything, and you might as well take a flying fuck at a rolling donut if you think we can pull off communism right now. And yeah we’re surrounded by enshittification. What’s got you mad?

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13 points

There’s no way you are having a good time with digital dating, there just isn’t.

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Well, not anymore no. Living with my bae. But I dipped my toe in that scene some years back, it was kinda fun. Setting up my own blind dates, occasionally meeting someone as thirsty as me. I’m sure it’s changed. I meant more that the mobile versions of those things doent ruin the regular versions. Im sure the affect each other, but Normal dating is still a thing.

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Even if your goal is to hit it and quit it like dating apps encourage, it’s still not a good time.

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I’m not very confident in person in the sense I would never randomly start talking to a cute girl. Online dating is great for me as a way to start conversations.

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People either have forgotten or didn’t live in the time before smart phones, but the world was fucking boring as, you HAD to talk to someone because you were so fucking bored, that’s why we discovered shit, we were bored and had to do something, then turtle neck man gave us smartphones.

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you HAD to talk to someone because you were so fucking bored

Yeah, nah, I just read one or two novels each day.

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5 points

While music was playing on the stereo… flipped the cassette every half hour…

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I just played a game on my pc.

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What game?

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Not OP. I remember when I was little, playing computer games that were completely on the keyboard (we didn’t even have a mouse.) They were stored on floppy disks and would start up by just inserting them into the computer. I’m not sure if you’re asking as a fellow old-school gamer seeking nostalgic connections, or as someone who’s never played old games and is simply curious, but I did find this list of early games pretty interesting.

There are a number of adaptations of classic arcade games, pop culture tie-ins, and even flight simulators. It amazes me how much floppy disks used to be able to accomplish.

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It’s really sad to me that people think that smartphones are the source of all entertainment now. Even today I use my phone very little on a daily basis. You’re limiting your perspective to that little screen in your hand instead of exploring the real world.

Smartphones are what is fucking boring to me. I don’t want to sit around and look at that shit.

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They’re good for those of us with physical disabilities or certain mental issues. I’m mostly off today. I wish I could just go downtown and have fun or go get some groceries but my brain is not letting me.

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3 points

what? thats how i feel when i use my smartphone

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ITT awful fucking reasons for “smartphone good”. Fuck smartphones.

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Yep. Ignore your downvotes. They’re just zoomers with Stockholm syndrome.

A standalone camera would be a better camera. A standalone media player would be a better media player. Emulation handhelds are better gaming systems.

Paper-weights don’t even have batteries. Checkmate, phones.

Phones are useless for anything but making sure you’re abiding by your state-mandated privatized surveillance of choice and if I could carry around a tiny Linux laptop with cellular integration and use it instead, I probably would.

I get not everyone can use Linux, but I feel that’s a misunderstood problem in that, it isn’t my problem that you can’t do something.

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if I could carry around a tiny Linux laptop with cellular integration and use it instead, I probably would.

Some phones can be converted to Linux fyi

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