59 points

Iā€™m prepared for the downvotes knowing where Iā€™m posting.

If you hate it that much, why are you using it? Itā€™s a tool. Itā€™s useful. It also allows you to overindulge, but that says more about you than the tool.

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A lot of those are problems caused by phones regardless of whether one uses one themselves.

But for the personal ones, there are self aware addicts of all kinds. Smokers know cigarettes are killing them, complain about them, sometimes even hate them but canā€™t stop.

Edit: pair o words

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10 points

Thatā€™s a fair and well measured response. It begs the question of what we can do as individuals, and when it comes to smart phones I donā€™t think thereā€™s much.

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Thanks, I basically agree with you.

Like most of the tragic collective action problems (phones, climate change, sweatshops etc) Iā€™m just trying to moderate as best I can for my own soul/health and try not to be too sad about it.

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19 points

Smartphones are using me more than I use them. I hate them, and love them, and hate that I love them.

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41 points

Yet, you engage with society. Curious.

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I donā€™t create posts claiming smart phones ruined every aspect of society dude

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37 points

they are implying you are the orange shirt guy

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I donā€™t have one, Iā€™m browsing from my computer. I still go through all the inconveniences listed above and some more. Checkmate, smartphone user.

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7 points

Not using the device doesnā€™t suddenly end its impacts on society.

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17 points

As someone who carries around a flip phone on purpose, itā€™s not impossible to live without a smartphone, but itā€™s getting more challenging.

Ticketmaster now requires a smartphone. You canā€™t print tickets. Which means I can no longer go to baseball games.

So far, thatā€™s the only thing Iā€™ve found thatā€™s a hard block, but many other things are certainly not designed for the phone impaired.

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For someone sharing OPā€™s opinion, simply ā€œnot using itā€ wouldnā€™t solve anything. Most of the problems OP lists is stems from that people in general use them.

Iā€™m not saying you should agree with OP, but your argument misses the point.

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Itā€™s a powerful tool, but the power isnā€™t yours.

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I donā€™t use it. At all. But nevertheless I still have to deal with people constantly telling me that I need to use their ā€˜appā€™, and or only giving information in the form of a QR code. I still have to navigate around zombie-people staring at their phones while they walk around. I still have to deal with the fall-out of bad online interactions that kids have had. and so on. The attention-span issue that the green-text mentions results in a dumbing-down of news and media and basically all kinds of information sharingā€¦

This stuff negatively affects me in obvious and measurable ways, even though I donā€™t use any of the features of this ā€˜toolā€™.

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I would say that it is also a fault of the device if it encourages this brain-dead overindulgence that is clearly of the interest of many big advertisement companies. You can choose a device and OS tho and install apps that lessen the effect, but an simpler phone might not have all the bells and whistles but can get you quite far without offering such a possibility to lose hours off your brain just turned off.

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the guy exclusively lists cultural phenomena. how would not using a phone personaly solve any of these?

ā€œItā€™s just a toolā€ is such an ignorant statement in general. The tools we use have been shaping or culture for thousands of years. There is no choice not to take part in the current state of humanity. ā€œItā€™s just a toolā€ is what people who want to sell you their technology tell you to make you forget about the effects it can have on a bigger scale.

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I myself feel conditioned to have it over a dumb phone. Companies and people assume that you have one, and the thing I find the most offending is obsessive QR overusage. I hate that.

If itā€™s on a banner or in a document, it rarely ever have plain text address. They are on all of my bills, as mobile banking is popular and you are supposed to trust it and open it in your banking app lol (although itā€™s payment info in a specific format, not a web link). Itā€™s also used in 2FA\registration for apps and you canā€™t login into popular messengers without scanning a pattern and my workplaces used some of them for all internal communications. And whenever I scan anything or refuse, I see them everywhere, this sharp b\w noise that is not a part of a human world, but rather meant for machines. These technological shenanigans occupying the visual landscape is probably why I can jump from not wanting a smartphone myself to disliking others having them. And with how it locks you from pretty essential things I can see the next step is having government services only availiable in Zuckerbergā€™s Metaverse. Thatā€™s when Iā€™d call quit on that fuckyverse.

/rant

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I think QR codes are cool because itā€™s literal computer data in ink. You can draw a QR code with a pencil if you know how to encode the data. Itā€™s like a punch card, a physical manifestation of digital data.

However using a QR code is really freaking annoying, especially if you have a cheaper phone. I always configure my phone to only show the encoded string and not click the links because fuck normalizing blindly clicking links

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I find them really fascinating, especially their error-correcting, but I do find them weird occupying every banner without any alternative and trashing our human world with too much of them, outside of the discussion of them being too much needed for functioning in our society.

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I used one of those promos to get a bunch of free stickers made and I did a QR code to lemon party with my friendā€™s Instagram at the bottom. I travel a lot for work so I was going to post them up everywhere. Unfortunately I got them printed in yellow which made the QR code not work.

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I just got a new phone and someone asked me ā€œdo you like it?ā€ I hesitated to answer and they assumed ā€œthatā€™s a noā€. Well, not really, it works well and does what I need it to. But do I like it? Not really, its a tool of necessity for operating in modern society. I like my steam deck, I like my speakers, I like my bike, but liking my phone is sort of similar to liking my work laptop. Itā€™s just a thing I have to have or be really very inconvenienced.

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1 point

network effects

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0 points

knowing where Iā€™m posting.

a place where people call each other out for saying stupid shit?

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1 point

Wow

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21 points

GPS and calendar.

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19 points

Apparently parents love it as it keeps the kids quiet and relieves them of the stress of parenting.

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6 points

Also a tracker and a way to contact them at all times. I believe parents who let children take phones to school would feel a bit nervous if their kid would forget it at home one day.

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2 points

I get why people do this but if I was being tracked when I was a kid, especially after age 16, I would be furious. I would have done something like hide it in a hole beside the movie theatre so I could go smoke some weed and have sex with my girlfriend.

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I mean, if by the time you buy your condoms and weed your parent is still tracking your ass, thereā€™s something wrong with them, not you.

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3 points

As a parent, it is convenient to have a handy device to zombify my hellspawn for an hour while I need to get some actual important adult shit done, but I also strictly limit mobile device use because my kids will not be iPad kids for as long as I have any say in the matter

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189 points

Thereā€™s (mostly) nothing wrong with the technology. Itā€™s the enshittification and profit motive behind nearly everything thatā€™s the real problem.

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How do you separate the two? To me smartphones seem like the sort of thing that was always headed in a bad direction. Itā€™s inherently a tracking device. Touchscreens are easy to use and intuitive but really slow and inefficient for most things that go beyond browsing/viewing content. It pushes you to get all your software from a centralized walled garden. If it werenā€™t for smartphones, the people who mostly only use smartphones probably wouldnā€™t be spending a lot of time on the internet, and that would be for the best.

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23 points

How do you separate the two?

you end capitalism

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4 points

The rest of the fucking owl moment

But I agree lol

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Makes sense, though I meant that more in the sense of like, how can it be said that there is nothing wrong with the technology when itā€™s been designed around the profit motive.

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If it werenā€™t for smartphones, the people who mostly only use smartphones probably wouldnā€™t be spending a lot of time on the internet, and that would be for the best.

Exactly. Eternal September was peanuts compared to smartphone connectivity.

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How do you separate the two?

A major change in how our economy works. No, I donā€™t expect this to actually happen in my lifetime.

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I think that having the convenience of an easy-to-use, always-online device in your pocket at all times is inherently addicive. The profit motive just compounds this issue on purpose to extract wealth, but it is more of a symptom of a larger issue.

Humans, nor any other animal on this planet have ever existed in an era that they can be always connected to everyone in their species at all times; even having that ability at all is revolutionary and unprecidented.

It used to be that the only people you talk to would be people in your local area, but now a significant portion of the percentage of people that an average person is likely to encounter on a daily basis is via means where their real character is hidden behind a carefully curated mask.

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8 points

Whales kind of have their own internet.

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8 points

The interwet

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3 points

So do trees and fungus in symbiosis.

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Yes, but you canā€™t discount the human affects that ease the transition. Smartphones made bite sized pieces of attention way more accessible. And ease of access to distraction/dreams away from the reality we all live in is what I mean, I guess, by accessibility.

Disregarding or summarizing the above: Why canā€™t there be an objective reality each of us can depend on to relate to eachother with?

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privacy

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Ruined that too

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