Fingers and toes crossed, get’em for every last penny!
luck is not gonna help. Only action and organizing can save us. Join a union too.
Oh, I would if I lived in a place which had such movements, believe me… As it is, all I can do is wish for Lady Luck to smile upon those who have the chance! Sure, it’s a bad idea to bank everything on luck, but it can never hurt to have some on your side!
where do you live? The tech workers movement is reaching pretty much everywhere there’s tech production.
True, but for those of us laid off in the past couple years and spent months looking for a new job, I’m not really super eager to stick my head out and rock the boat.
This was the hardest job search I’ve had to do, even as far as multiple rounds of leetcode, and kind of reminds me of how annoying finding my first dev job as a recent grad. Not really looking to do that again any time soon lol
Though if my company tries to RTO us, it’ll be a constructive dismissal for me (I spoke with a lawyer already before) and then I’ll have to job search again anyway.
We probably won’t get RTO’d though, we’ve been doing WFH for years here thankfully.
I thought they did not need a union because daddy google was a GOAT
Maybe up until they stopped having “don’t be evil” as their company motto?
I’m in management now but I say go get ‘em please.
most management I would assume would be with the workers. If your not c suite your nothing.
Tech is a bit different because a significant portion of your compensation comes as stock when you get higher up the ladder but yeah.
Stock options and grants are a tool to trick you into accepting lower pay and conflating your interests with those of the capital class. (Speaking as someone who has received both!)
You’d think that, but a depressingly large percent of middle managers identify more with the bosses than with the people doing real work. They believe that if they toe the line and work hard at enabling the sociopaths, they might eventually get the promised invisible handjob.
Interestingly, I’ve known more senior managers than middle managers who are radical. I’m one, and I’ve known many others. I think that those who really understand how the system works end up advancing, but they’re also the ones with no illusions about how the sausage is made.
Capitalism has made me moderately rich (and I started from near-destitution), but that doesn’t mean I am unaware of its many toxic side effects. You have to live within the system that exists. People who don’t know how to do anything make shitty revolutionaries and incompetent reformers.
yeah I get that. Im unemployed currently but I know that my rate is much higher than the large majority of folks so I feel kinda guilty in a way but at the same time I have a sickly wife and our household income puts us in the average. My ability to earn more just offsets her inability to earn one. Of course though medical expenses make our expenses higher and as I looked for work I went through the excersise to see how much I needed to make and it just blows me away mainly because medical expenses are a third of the budget. as high as housing although we have about as cheap a housing situation as someone could have nowadays. We have such a topsy turvy crazy society were one can go from being comfortable to destitute or vice versa at practically the drop of a hat but the direction and pressures are downward. Ugh. I do find middle managers tend to work relative to metrics they want to look good and they want the people under them to focus on them. the people under them usually just want to have their stuff working and to clearly know which thing to concentrate on and higher levels also looking to have stuff working but from a larger perspective.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Software Engineers should get royalties for their code like actors do. I’d be retired already.
most cursed take of the day. This is a terrible system that turns workers in self-entrepreneurs, where most struggle and a few get a lot of money.
nah. as a dev myself, if any of my foss projects gave me anything but grief I would be ahead.
I’ll gladly take royalties over needy upper management and demanding PMs. not to mention the absolute donkeys that are the customers.
“As a dev myself…”
“Users of my code = donkeys”
Logically, where the fuck does this end other than you sucking your own dick? Just write code for yourself and shut up.
Keep in kind I’m using logic to ask a dev…
Why WOULD ANYONE need to hear your opinion if you think EVERYONE else is a donkey?
They’re fat and lazy enough already. Last thing we need is an SE thinking they sit on IP and the rest of us can fuck off. You write code that others defined and you work WITHIN a system. You are the equivalent of a translator who speaks Spanish. You don’t work magic. Everyone else works in systems we are all asked to consider the business logic beyond simple tasks so fuck off with your snowflakes. I work with so many engineering VPs that you just come off as “special”. You are white gloves special people who demand handling that no one else requests, and for why? Why do you deserve special IP concerns?
Seriously I am tired of engineers being gate keepers while the other two legs of the stool keep this shit together.
Seriously engineers get your shit together as we are all making a product together and you don’t own any more shit then a pm and that’s saying something.
Seriously I am tired of engineers being gate keepers while the other two legs of the stool keep this shit together.
Seriously engineers get your shit together as we are all making a product together
Half my job as a programmer is chasing down the non-devs asking them to explain how they imagined the thing they asked for working, and then trying to find the politest words to say their idea is really bad, all the while trying not to insult their intelligence. The other half is putting out fires that come up all the time because the people who “made the product together” made horrendous decisions about the product design without consulting the devs, or even getting their input. So now we’re saddled with mounting technical debt because of a bunch of morons who were convinced they knew more than the people who teach computers to think.
Seriously, half the things I hear non-devs say make me actually wonder about the “average” level of intelligence of our species.
You don’t work magic.
If it wasn’t, then you’d be able to do the job.
To you, it IS magic.
Then half of your job is dealing with a shitty company and not being a developer. Half of your job is being wasted on overhead you can’t manage. That is half of your capability wasted on a lack of collaboration. How else to describe it than you are half the dev you could be while you blame everyone else. Shit as a director I’m not mixing words.
What you’re tracing the edges of is not being able manage complexity in a collaborative environment. If you can’t break the problem down part of is on the team but a lot of it is on you. If you want to architect a solution you have to be able to explain it.
That’s antithetical to you keeping on about how shitty (everyone else is) aka the other half of the world.
It’s pretty bad having to explain this to coddled engineers learning how the other half of the company works. Talking as if everyone else doesn’t get it while they can’t even perceive their own bubble. It’s not magic. It’s code. It’s nothing crazy so why be an asshole about it? Why do I get more bs from coders than I do contractors working on my roof? And don’t get me wrong the roofers piss in a shingles box and leave it for me to dispose… My grandfather worked on the Apollo missions so why is C# black fucking magic and suddenly you’re Gandalf? To YOU it’s magic. To the rest of us it’s a fucking job and you talk too much.
