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I had a shower thought the other day that if more CEOs were shot dead, there’d probably be less Return to Office.

People are sometimes like “oh but violence is bad!” but ignore all the casual harms inflicted on people by capitalism and friends.

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They also ignore all the freedom of the lower classes which was won through violence against the upper class.

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When the people in charge refuse to listen, the only tool left is violence.

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One dead CEO caused so much unity on health reform. Never seen anything like this in my life time.

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And let’s not forget all the freedoms that were granted because we asked nicely while tugging our forelocks.

Those are easy to remember because there are none.

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They also ignore literally all of human history when they say shit like that. Hell even the civil rights movement only worked because of Malcolm X’s threat of violence.

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They weren’t just threats, there where riots all over the country.

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Malcolm X was a fringe figure: the NOI got lots of press but didn’t really do all that much besides indulging in infighting and encouraging local Black businesses. Their approach to politics was separatism. H. Rap Brown, Stokely Carmichael, the Panthers, and many others were more closely involved in direct action.

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Nah CEOs will mandate RTO for workers while they themselves stay remote.

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20 points

They can be killed in their homes, too.

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12 points

So no change?

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9 points

The (attitude) Adjuster goes blam.

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You had me until you distilled everything into “capitalism”… Life isn’t black and white.

Inb4 the intellectually dishonest response of “but I said ‘and friends!’”.

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5 points

Where would you lay the blame?

And how is that hypothetical response “intellectually dishonest”?

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2 points

So brave

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1 point

I am sorry calling out the fake capitalist regime we have, got your panties all bunched up

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The regime we have is made up of real capitalists, who behave as capitalists often have throughout history. The kind of capitalism that’s fake is the Chicago-school free maket kind, which has never existed in real life, because it embodies a contradiction in terms. The market is either “free” as in freedom from regulation, or it’s “free” in terms of no oligopolistic barriers to entry. It can’t be both simultaneously. Tuly free markets have a lifetime comparable to free hydrogen atoms: they quickly settle to an equilibrium state that’s less free (by either definition).

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96 points

I’m in management now but I say go get ‘em please.

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62 points

most management I would assume would be with the workers. If your not c suite your nothing.

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17 points

Tech is a bit different because a significant portion of your compensation comes as stock when you get higher up the ladder but yeah.

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23 points

Stock options and grants are a tool to trick you into accepting lower pay and conflating your interests with those of the capital class. (Speaking as someone who has received both!)

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Yeah I would say that is high enough but its pretty up there for stock to be all that significant.

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You’d think that, but a depressingly large percent of middle managers identify more with the bosses than with the people doing real work. They believe that if they toe the line and work hard at enabling the sociopaths, they might eventually get the promised invisible handjob.

Interestingly, I’ve known more senior managers than middle managers who are radical. I’m one, and I’ve known many others. I think that those who really understand how the system works end up advancing, but they’re also the ones with no illusions about how the sausage is made.

Capitalism has made me moderately rich (and I started from near-destitution), but that doesn’t mean I am unaware of its many toxic side effects. You have to live within the system that exists. People who don’t know how to do anything make shitty revolutionaries and incompetent reformers.

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yeah I get that. Im unemployed currently but I know that my rate is much higher than the large majority of folks so I feel kinda guilty in a way but at the same time I have a sickly wife and our household income puts us in the average. My ability to earn more just offsets her inability to earn one. Of course though medical expenses make our expenses higher and as I looked for work I went through the excersise to see how much I needed to make and it just blows me away mainly because medical expenses are a third of the budget. as high as housing although we have about as cheap a housing situation as someone could have nowadays. We have such a topsy turvy crazy society were one can go from being comfortable to destitute or vice versa at practically the drop of a hat but the direction and pressures are downward. Ugh. I do find middle managers tend to work relative to metrics they want to look good and they want the people under them to focus on them. the people under them usually just want to have their stuff working and to clearly know which thing to concentrate on and higher levels also looking to have stuff working but from a larger perspective.

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91 points

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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Why do you think the mega rich are so keen to invest in robotics? With AI and robotics, there is no palace guard that’ll turn sides when everyone’s had enough.

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1 point

Nothing will change until the rich take a big haircut.

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64 points

Fingers and toes crossed, get’em for every last penny!

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69 points

luck is not gonna help. Only action and organizing can save us. Join a union too.

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14 points

Oh, I would if I lived in a place which had such movements, believe me… As it is, all I can do is wish for Lady Luck to smile upon those who have the chance! Sure, it’s a bad idea to bank everything on luck, but it can never hurt to have some on your side!

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17 points

where do you live? The tech workers movement is reaching pretty much everywhere there’s tech production.

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True, but for those of us laid off in the past couple years and spent months looking for a new job, I’m not really super eager to stick my head out and rock the boat.

This was the hardest job search I’ve had to do, even as far as multiple rounds of leetcode, and kind of reminds me of how annoying finding my first dev job as a recent grad. Not really looking to do that again any time soon lol

Though if my company tries to RTO us, it’ll be a constructive dismissal for me (I spoke with a lawyer already before) and then I’ll have to job search again anyway.

We probably won’t get RTO’d though, we’ve been doing WFH for years here thankfully.

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Meanwhile Accenture has 1400:1 CEO-to-worker pay ratio.

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