We were still talking about Obama’s birth certificate years after inauguration. So yeah, that’s not really a thing.
We should all get behind the sitting president regardless of party, but I don’t think that has ever happened…
Maybe they would care more if approval ratings meant something.
Be vocal about good things the President does, regardless of party affiliation, instead of just pointing out bad things about the opposition party. Trump will do some good things (and surely plenty bad), and showing that the public is watching and cares is a good thing. The same should be true for Biden and whoever comes after Trump.
But no, that’s not happening because partisan BS. That said, I will be pointing out good and bad things the President does, as I have done the last few elections.
We were still talking about Obama’s birth certificate years after inauguration.
Was Trump himself not one of the biggest pushers of that bullshit? I seem to remember him using it as part of his campaign when he wasn’t even running against Obama.
You’re absolutely correct. For the longest time, Trump was known as the birther guy because he was constantly making ludicrous, racist, nonsensical claims about it.
I’m not honestly sure that we should. Sometimes supporting and wanting what’s best for the country means earnestly hoping the president utterly fails.
I sincerely hope this trump administration accomplishes less than they did last time, ideally nothing.
The likelihood of a person correctly opining on the president is 50/50. Effectively, there’s no benefit to piling on to the mass of muted dissent or agreement.
The likelihood of a person correctly opining on the president is 50/50.
https://econ.video/2017/10/15/corner-gas-a-riot-is-not-5050/
(I am annoyed at my inability to find a link to just the video clip)
There’s a difference between screaming into the echo chamber and support.
And in any case, I would disagree that we should just not talk about politics. If nothing else, there doesn’t have to be a greater benefit to calling the president a shitheel for it to be worth doing if you think that.
Why? The Trump administration will do good and bad things, and I hope they succeed at the good things (e.g. cutting waste) and fail at the bad things (e.g. cutting important services).
Show them the American people are more than partisan hacks, and maybe they’ll start pretending they’re not partisan hacks.
Horseshit. They are not being honest about clearing government waste. Any talk of reducing government spending without significant cuts to the military is a fable.
Any minor good things they do will be completely overshadowed by the pilfering of the country for a select few.
I want what’s best for the country, specifically the people in it, and the world as a whole.
I hope that trump fails because his stated objectives are abhorrent to common decency, fiscal prudence, and functional governance.
What he calls waste I don’t believe for a second is actually waste. He has done nothing to earn my trust in that or any other regard, and so I don’t. Certainly not enough to trust them with something as broad as “waste”, if the fools who think that any scientific research they don’t see the point of is “waste” like so many of the examples have been.
Listening and judging a politician based on their words and actions isn’t being “partisan”. The electorate can’t even be “partisan hacks”, they’re the one’s whose interests and opinions are supposed to be being represented.
It’s not up to the American people to live up to the expectations of politicians. It’s literally a politicians entire job to live up to ours, and do things that benefit us. If the politicians goal is contrary to that end, I hope they fail.
I’m not gonna wish someone who wants to harm me, my family and my friends luck just so that they might not want to in the future. They need to earn my trust, not the other way around.
If they do nothing for four years and things remain exactly the same as today, I’ll count that as a win. If they yell “psych!” and actually do something good I’ll eat a hat.
“Cutting waste”, for a conservative, is to reduce public services. They have spent a very long time putting out the idea that the government must turn a direct profit and pretty much none of them have the barest clue of what an indirect effect is. The more they crush public infrastructure the more space there is for private interests to come in and overcharge for services they don’t even really provide(health insurance, for example).
Nothing they do to streamline, especially with Elon must holding the lever, will be a benefit to the working class and the benefit to the owner class will be a few quarters of profits while they continue to descend into a place where there’s no money left for their customers to buy their products.
There is no good coming.
Waste, in this case, includes important services first and foremost. Medicare and social security are definitely waste. It’s money wasted on people who aren’t buying any of those expensive things that Musk and Trump are selling.
I am an American and I can tell you first hand that:
1: Donald Trump is my president elect, regardless of how I may
2: There were certainly some conservatives who, regardless of how they felt, acknowledged Obama as their president.
3: There were absolutely many who did not accept Obama as president (not that it made a difference, because he was still president, same as Trump).
That said, I hope Trump does well for all of us and that all of the terrible predictions about what will happen were just silly and wrong.
They weren’t silly and wrong last time.
He won’t be Hitler 2.0, but he’ll do some terrible things.
He’s corrupt and will do things to enrich himself. This is what he did before. That’s bad, especially because some of the things he did jeopardized lives (especially when it comes to COVID, but certainly not exclusively). However, the people handling him this time are much more dangerous. This is what worries me most about this go round.
Our media was more supportive of Obama than Trump, at least the second time around. Maybe it’s because of Trump’s rape trials, Jan 6, and everything that came out of his mouth. But don’t pretend that media was as critical of Obama.
Mainstream media wasn’t critical enough, no. The right wing media was just going after irrelevant bullshit like the birtherism, tan suits and mustard. The entire media failed the country, but then again, that’s been true for decades.
Like, especially the way the Obama administration bailed out banks, while not giving any support to home owners. Banks were allowed to fraudulently foreclose on homes and sell those homes for a profit later. It angered a lot of people and in some ways did lead to Trump’s rise, and it’s only like a decade later that those stories are being told and somewhat being reckoned with (and the democratic party is still deep in denial about that, Obama can not be criticised).
The way it should’ve been handled would’ve been:
- nationalise the banks that are too big to fail, fire the executives responsible and prosecute if there’s criminal wrongdoing
- some temporary financial support for struggling home owners to get through the crash so they could actually stay in their homes
It would’ve been way cheaper than the throwing money at the failing banks.
But of course, the right wing media wasn’t interested in substantial criticism, mainstream media didn’t want to criticise wall street because they’re increasingly owned by wall street, so the only place you’ll find this is in ‘fringe’ independent left wing media.
Obama’s thanks for passing the ACA was to lose the House of Reps for years 3 and 4. Then lose it again for years 5 and 6. And then lose the House and Senate for years 7 and 8. Even the left didn’t stand behind Obama.
If the dems wanted the left to stand behind them, they should have gotten rid of the filibuster and passed actual free, universal healthcare instead of the republican plan that just amounted to extra subsidies for insurance companies. Also they shouldn’t have bombed a dozen Middle Eastern and African countries while bailing out the banks that just foreclosed on millions of homes and deporting more people than either Bush or Trump.
When you betray the voters who elected you by giving republicans half the discretionary budget and adopting their policy even when they’re going to vote against it, you decrease turnout. When you improve people’s immediate material conditions, you increase turnout.
If you want more, then vote in more Senators so Lieberman can’t water it down. That’s how it works.
Not to mention the oddity of “we didn’t get exactly what we wanted in the first months, so we’re just going to give up for the next 6 years and then let Trump in. Surely that will work!”
It doesn’t work that way for republicans. When republicans are in power, they don’t handicap themselves with the filibuster or the parliamentarian or PAYGO or let single members block everything without the threat of getting kicked off committee assignments and denied GOP funding/campaign resources.
They chose to let Lieberman be the villain of the week because they don’t want the same things the left wants.
You can whine that people won’t vote for politicians who don’t do what they elected them to do, but that’s not how democracy works. Doing things that are unpopular with the base and failing to do the things you were elected to do decreases turnout.
WE STOOD BEHIND OBAMA??? BITCH, TURTLE MCFUCKFACE SAID, AS SOON AS OBAMA WAS ELECTED, THAT HIS #1 PRIORITY WAS ENSURING OBAMA DIDN’T GET A SECOND TERM!!
