The funniest part of the ‘social credit score’ bullshit is we absolutely have it here in the United States. It’s called your credit fucking score. So many aspects of life are gatekept by access to money which, in the current economy, means access to debt, which is controlled by: your credit score. And it can absolutely negatively impact your life. And not just prejudices from private citizens.
You try driving a beat up clunker of a car through nice neighborhoods and see how long until a cop shows up to ask what you’re doing there. That’s a state actor. You try sending your kids to a good school when you can’t get a loan to live in a house in a good school district. That’s municipal government. You try renting an apartment without a fucking pay stub. God. Damn. We live in a society governed by money. Having access to money is a social metric aka a “sCoRe” you fucking barbells.
I’m also 99% sure credit is tied to your family just from anecdotal evidence. Both me and my friend signed up for credit cards the same day at the age of 18.
He could only get a “secured” credit card with a $150 limit, while I had an insane limit for a kid making minimum wage.
Of course his parents filed for bankruptcy years before that, but it does make me wonder.
It absolutely does tie in to your family. And where you live. And a host of other factors outside your control. And not just passively like that. A shitty parent can fuck up your life by doing fraud in your name or vice versa. And now you’re stained by it and it can haunt you like a ghost for years.
My mom took out my first credit card as a joint family account, so I not only had her positive credit, I could make purchases and she could immediately repay them. For example, sometimes I’d buy our groceries or pay the electric bill. That way, I was building up credit without actually doing anything.
In Europe there is tons of private credit info systems, white lists etc. which overlaps or don’t and works pretty randomly for example if someone do some scam on your name you could get permanently blacklisted or not, depend if you get reported and you might get to clear your name or not.
I also wonder about the opposite of this like since rednote is mostly kind of a space for more pro western liberalized Chinese young people, how many of them are gonna get scared straight talking to Americans lol
Exactly, while Americans are discovering that much of what their government said about China was false, the Chinese are realizing that conditions in the US are as bad, or worse, than their own government said.
Mass shootings in the US get way less coverage in China because it gets to a point where people start dismissing it as propaganda. Big ones make the news for a while, but most of them get touched on briefly and the news moves on.
Like, surely, after your 3rd mass shooting in a decade, the government would step in and do something about it, right?
“We’ve had 15 mass shootings in 2025 so far”
“You mean in the 2020’s, right?”
“Nope”
Like, surely, after your 3rd mass shooting in a decade, the government would step in and do something about it, right
One would think!
I’m like 50:50 as to whether news out of China specifically just short-circuits a populaces brain that cannot even imagine anymore that the people like a government. I mean you look at like global north numbers and it peaks at, what, 30% or so? Removed from everything else I get the feeling the idea that you could like a government has died
Reminds me of a saying from the SSRs after '91: “Everything they told us about communism was a lie, and everything they told us about capitalism was true.”
Except, you know, Chinese people seem to really like their communist party
Also I don’t know how much these types of posts say anything about anything because these people have no object permanence and tend to believe whatever’s in front of them or the last thing said to them. They have probably looked at Chinese netizens debunking of their priors with the same scrutiny as their original wrong opinions. XHS gets banned and all of these people will revert to treatlerites within 1 hour of returning to instagram or w/e.
Yea i dont expect it will trigger any introspection in people like “oh maybe I should be more critical of what the state dept says about x.” They’ll believe the very next lie they’re told even lol. But hopefully with respect to China itself it’ll erode the anti-Chinese/anti-communist sentiment among a decent portion of young(ish) people
It’d be really, really funny if the TikTok ban is the domino that begins the collapse of the US empire in earnest.
I mean with how absolutely astoundingly incompetent the Biden administration was I could see their actions being another “stepping on a rake” moment.
Unironically it’s a huge move that will piss off a lot of people. Half of Americans use TikTok. Half. If you’re in a room with 30 people, 15 of them have TikTok on their phone, and 14 are pissed about this ban.
You know what has less monthly users than TikTok does? The New York Times and the Washington Post. Put their monthly readerships together and it’s about equal to TikTok, except you know they have like a 90% overlap. Also waaaaay more than TV news has viewers, honestly adding all TV news viewers together still might not beat TikTok.
TikTok is absolutely massive and is arguably the dominant force in American culture. Banning it for reasons that literally everyone except my father can see are bullshit is a good way to piss off a lot of people for no gain.
what’s funny is that TikTok is controlled by the CIA and Israel. They’re only doing this for silly propaganda reasons.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/nato-tiktok-pipeline-why-tiktok-employing-national-security-agents/280336/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/288710-tiktok-isnt-anti-israel-its-hired-unit-8200-agents-to-run-its-affairs/288710/
Reminds me of this quote:
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime.” -Mark Twain
Exactly, and the beauty of social media is that it’s a lot cheaper than travel making it possible for millions of people to get exposure to other cultures for free.
I know many people who are infatuated with travel and rush around the globe visiting places two weeks at a time. If you really want to understand a place stay there a minimum of six months, otherwise you will just be getting the Readers Digest version. I have seen hoards of travelers descend on a location at one time and all that they do is change the character of the place by their presence. This is especially true for cruise ships. Also all of this excessive travel has a huge carbon footprint.
I think it comes down to “exposure” to different people and cultures. If you only go places that cater exclusively to tourists, or you never leave the resort or whatever, then you aren’t really getting that exposure. At the same time, you can have some profound realizations in very little time-- I mean basic shit like “oh wow these people are just want to live their lives like everybody else!”
Nice, thx for that. Made a meme of it here: https://lemmy.ml/post/24890041
Let’s go!
But yea this is just a drop in the bucket. Every person I talk to in America has this warped view of China. The propaganda here is quite effective, cause even people who call themselves apolitical or barely know anything can recite anti-china talking points
That’s why direct interactions between people are so important. As soon as Americans start talking to the Chinese, they quickly realize that they’ve been fed bullshit their whole lives. And while it’s still a small number of people talking, I think it will grow because of networking effects. People will tell their friends, and they will get curious, and so on. I really think this is an incredibly important moment.
You can even track how effective it is over time. Negative views on china in the us and canada jumped 30% in like 15 years.
Americans realized China was serious about socialism and they weren’t going to fall into the same trap as the Soviets. IIRC it was around that time the CPC initiated a lot of purges and anti-corruption policies.
I thought MMOs and online gaming would do this when I was little, nah gamers can’t be helped.
Just about every game I’ve ever played has regional servers meaning that US players never get to interact with people from other countries, often not even English speaking Europe. There’s only a few exceptions to that like EVE Online and their large Russian communities, but even then the groups tend to self-segregate.
Things might be different if everyone was just always forced to play together.
What few Russian words I know are solely from staying up late and only finding Russians to play Left 4 Dead with lmao
