23 points

Johnny admits to knowing that taking the bet was a sin and commits it anyway. Johnny gets the golden fiddle, but the devil gets his soul in the end anyway. What’s 60 more years to an eternal being? The song can still be a cautionary tale you just need to finish it.

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27 points

Point kinda holds, though. Ignoring the long-term consequences for short-term gain seems to also feature heavily in America.

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3 points

Yep only in America

🙄

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3 points

The county was founded by generations of people who came here with little thought to long term consequences, so it tracks

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ah yes, that short term Constitution that never held up /s

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13 points

Eh? The wager was Johnny either gets the fiddle or loses his soul, why would he go to hell anyway?

No human is without sin, after all.

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Win or lose, taking the bet at all is a sin, and Johnny aknowleges this in the song. Plenty of protestants (the target audience) see this as reason enough to go to hell.

Now you could argue about forgiveness or confession or whatever the fuck but the stage has been set for Johnny to go to hell even though he won.

“Here’s your fiddle. See you in 80 years”.

I think its a cautionary tale about using evil even when you think you’re good and right. The devil doesnt play fair, and always wins.

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Well, Daniels wrote a sequel in which the devil comes back to try again. That pretty much negates this theory.

Also, Daniels wrote it in the middle of a recording session for the sole reason that he realized they forgot to write a fiddle song for the album they were recording. So I wouldn’t ascribe too much intention to anything.

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12 points

It’s not a protestant belief that a single sin makes you irredeemable and sends you to hell.

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3 points

Exactly. Johnny wins the contest, so he gets the fiddle. If he had lost, he would have forfeited his soul.

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11 points

Johnny admits to knowing that taking the bet was a sin and commits it anyway.

No, he admits that it might be a sin.

The boy said, “My name’s Johnny and it might be a sin
But I’m gon’ take your bet, you’re gonna regret, I’m the best there’s ever been”

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5 points

That means he’s acknowledging its a sin but he will do it anyways. You are thinking it says it might be a sin or might not, but thats not how the sentence goes.

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9 points

I definitely read it as an acknowledgement of a risk rather than an admission of wrong.

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6 points

The sentence can be interpreted either way.

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7 points

That uniquely “American” trait is just called optimism by people who don’t fixate on a mythical monoculture.

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10 points

But Americans are, like, really optimistic.

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3 points

Most Americans haven’t read Candide these days. It used to be much more popular

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4 points

This is not optimism. It’s more irreverence. Which is honestly something we need more of these days. Everyone’s so goddamn serious.

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It’s rooted in the tradition of American machismo and braggadocio. Hyperbole is a huge part of the American oral tradition. You go to any small town in the Southern US and the old timers will have some tall tales that beggar belief and they will tell them too you as if it were the gospel with no winks or nods.

I think Devil Went Down to Georgia is supposed to be viewed as a boast by Johnny himself. “I’m a really good fiddle player.” “Oh yeah?” “Yeah, this one time I beat the Devil himself.” “I told you once you sonofabitch, I’m the best there’s ever been.”

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4 points

American machismo and braggadocio

machismo and braggadocio

machismo

braggadocio

Do you know where these words came from? Americans have neither when compared.

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First of all I wasn’t comparing. 2nd of all it is incredibly stupid to argue that American machismo doesn’t exist. Compared to fucking what?

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31 points

According to conventional wisdom, Johnny damned himself by accepting the bet in the first place. The devil “loses”, but that just cements Johnny’s sin of pride.

The devil might not have gotten Johnny’s soul the day of the contest, but make no mistake, he does eventually get the soul.

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19 points

Nah. Conventional wisdom says he can either

  1. the the priest all about it and do some chants
  2. find himself a baptizer and spend the rest of his time Jesusing real hard.

Johnny’s options will depend on his local wise man, but I suspect either way he’ll also be strongly encouraged to buy some merch.

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5 points

Yes and no. While the rules are all made up, and different people can just make up more rules, the standard rules say that any deal with the devil, even this bet, is a sin, an unforgivable sin. Adding in the sin of pride, which means Johnny is unlikely to ever repent, and the devil got a soul.

Also, there’s a sequel song with a bunch of big names on the project, Johnny went down due to the sin of pride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0XUTD7QYcs

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Christianity’s whole thing is that no sin is unforgivable (except deliberate rejection of the Holy Spirit’s work/testimony about Jesus (Mark 3:20-28))

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he’ll also be strongly encouraged to buy some merch.

Eh, they usually don’t see merch as much as ask you to subscribe to their crowdfunding (ideally for 10% of your total income) for performative Jesusing done bi-weekly.

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Well if you’re religious. There’s a whole class of individuals in the South that get off on showing the religious just how little they care for the tenets of Christianity. In addition to playing a mean fiddle, Johnny probably swears like a sailor and has extramarital sex whenever he can.

The song came out in 1979. The Southern Rebel was a big concept in the culture.

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8 points

So this is cautionary tale of failing US educational system by OP?

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32 points

There’s plenty of stories from other countries about the cunning hero outsmarting the fae or similar. Just that in America, the hero always wins vs other countries where there are also many stories where the hero gets killed.

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A famous legend in my culture is of a humpbacked man stumbling across some magical fuckers and they take pity on him and take away the hump in his back. He is so happy and chirpy he sings their praises and jumps with glee, so they give him a worse hump for being an annoying cunt.

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10 points

Nathaniel Hawthorne and Edgar Allen Poe, two of America’s most famous writers, both based their bodies of work on people paying the price of losing to temptation/sin. Although to be fair I couldn’t think of any popular songs about that.

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I know it’s not a popular take, but I don’t like Poe or Hawthorne. I always felt like their shallow exploration of death/edgy topics really only appealed to the immature or unintelligent reader.

I can see their work on a shelf between The Nightmare Before Christmas and a Dashboard Confessional CD- maybe a Jr High textbook as well.

I wouldn’t use them as an example.

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It’s unpopular because instead of just saying you don’t like them or personally think they lack depth you go straight to insulting their readers and fans.

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10 points

Thats only because they write with emotion in mind, in my opinion. They are trying to evoke feelings and cause dissonance, not lay out an intellectual thesis on the subject.

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Well, the problem isn’t that your take is unpopular, it’s that it’s confusing. You say they only appeal to the unintelligent or immature but you also say you don’t like them. I’m sure you can see the contradiction.

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7 points

Im sure they can’t hold a candle to your own peerless prose, king.

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But america is special

/s

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