81 points

Systemd is pretty cool honestly

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Enjoy your botnet.

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Can you elaborate? Are there a lot of security holes in systemd? (Genuine question)

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I’m pretty sure their arguments boil down to “big company bad” as systemd is developed by Red Hat. Putting a single entity’s products in charge of several basic functions of the computer (like booting, init, daemons, networking) is seen as a bad idea, especially Red Hat which disgraced itself by making the RHEL source code available only to customers (which does not violate the license), but so far I don’t know of any solid evidence of security holes caused by either incompetence or malice.

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Frankly everything but LFS is suspect

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I’ve been waiting for 4 years to be part of one, but it has yet to become a reality 😔

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47 points

Systemd-boot and the service files and timers are pretty neat. Works fine as an init too I guess

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11 points

Anything that lets me avoid the aberration that is Grub is great.

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Those are the features I’m most interested in. Do you have a tutorial / resource you can recommend?

The man pages are, as with most Linux, technically sufficient. Just very hard to digest if I don’t have four hours of interrupted time.

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From experience when I look for something “easier to digest” I end up spending more time tinkering and fucking about than just reading the man pages because the latter usually had a lot more context about the software and any other weird quirks.

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45 points

I don’t hate systemd, but I prefer OpenRC and usually use it on my Debian systems. My preference is purely vibes based though, and I think most of the anti-systemd arguments in common usage are a bit silly.

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My biggest problem with systemd is that Red Hat has basically used it to push their-way-or-the-highway on many Linux distros. That said, in many situations systemd is better than what came before. Except systemd-networkd. It’s a PITA as far as I’m concerned.

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I see why that may not be an ideal position in an ideological sense, where every distro uses the same thing, but i see it the other way around: it’s a way to finally attempt to standardize Linux desktops. Having a standard desktop is crucial for mainstream adoption, because developers won’t bother supporting 4837 different combinations of software. This is the reason I am really excited for the future with flatpak, xdg-portals, systemd, pipewire, Wayland etc etc. This way the distro is no longer the platform, it’s the distro agnostic software stack that becomes the target platform. For example there’s no longer a need to support KDE’s file picker, and gnome’s file picker and xfce’s, you can just call the portal and it will (should) display a file picker. And if the user doesn’t have a supported environment (which the vast majority don’t) then the burden is on them for being different I guess :p

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I like the standardisation of things. I don’t like that it’s glomming over everything to push Red Hat’s way of doing it and slow-walking proposals from other groups.

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The Nix package manager uses systemd for instatiating services for its packages, so you can switch between any setup with one command. Nix will stop and start all the units that were changed. While it’s a Nix feature, systemd is doing all the heavy lifting

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systemd-network is great on servers. I use it on every machine that isn’t on wifi

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5 points

What are your issues with networkd?

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I find it hard to deal with. I generally end up writing a new plan file and just rendering that to networkd.

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SystemD works great, but the corporations and politics behind it will ruin Linux if they fully take over. They are already optimizing heavily for IoT just because IBM is heavily focused on IoT

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I’m pretty sure IBM hasn’t focussed on IoT in a long time

(In the sense that I used to work there and know they’ve both reduced investment in, and fully removed, some parts of their portfolio regarding IoT)

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Just search IBM IoT and look at IBM acquisitions in the last decade.

Everyone “used to work for that company” on the internet. And even if you used to work there it doesn’t mean you know anything about their business. IBM is more of a Holding now. Like Volkswagen. Just because someone works at audi it doesn’t mean they know anything about Lamborghini.

https://unixdigest.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html

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I’m well aware of IBM IoT and their acquisitions, but I’m also aware that most of that stuff happened around 2016-2018, and since then that part of the business has been shrunk down and sold off.

Believe what you want. I did work in IBM IoT, but what do I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If you read your own article, you’ll also notice that it doesn’t mention IoT even once. It talks about embedded use cases, which is not the same as IoT. Are you sure you’re not just throwing together unrelated topics?

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IBM is heavily focused on IoT

Oh no, IBM wants to put a System/390 in every lightbulb!

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1 point

So, back to incandescent bulbs? Because the overheated processor will generate more light than the LED.

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2 points

IBM’s revolutionary lighting and home heating device.

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33 points

My thoughts on systemd:

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40 points

It’s one of the init systems of all time.

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22 points

it makes my computer start. that’s pretty neat I think

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I like the way I can make the timeout 0 so I don’t even need to think about it doing its job :)

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