Everything else aside… What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Nothing. The “emergency order” is entirely so he doesn’t have to go through Congress to do it.
Dang i wonder if we can find example of emergency powers eroding democracy in the past now…
i thought liberal democracies had mechanisms to stop this from happening!
They do, it’s called “voting”. Unfortunately, this “liberal democracy” (which it hasn’t been a true-democracy in over a century) has a large portion of voters that refuse to execute their civil duty as a citizen of a city-state.
Essentially, people want all the benefits of living in a society without putting forth the work required to maintain it. Cracks eventually start to show, corruption leaks in, and that’s how fascism begins to grow in the cellar of Democracy’s home. That’s how we’ve gotten where we are.
Building “freedom cities” for billionaires, maybe. In his '23 announcement, it specifically stated:
Freedom Cities will be built on federal land that is undeveloped and not part of any of our country’s magnificent national parks or other natural treasures.
Which I assume means they’ll be built on your parks?
(for anyone scrolling past like, “wtf are freedom cities” - it’s feudalism. The Company Town. Literally lords and serfs type shit. Plenty of good places to read more about it, but here’s one to start.)
What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Replacing timber we previously got from Canada before the screaming from the industries that use lumber that is now tariffed gets too loud.
I don’t know enough about those industries to know if it’ll work, though.
In 200 years people will ask in disbelief why such old forests were logged down.
That’s if the planet survives till then, which at the rate things are going no way we make it that long
The planet will be just fine. I’d wager that life will continue, the earth will still be filled with living creatures for a long time to come.
It just won’t include us. Or most of the things we care about.
I don’t think we have much of any old growth forests left even before this honestly.
Please stop spouting this propaganda. We have less than 2 decades of western white civilisation left. Other continents far less. It’s not helpful and it propagates this hopium and drives people to complacency.
E: your downvotes are as futile as the hopium propaganda. Truth hurts, but sets you free.
People don’t seem to be aware that there are estimates that there could be 1.2 BILLION climate refugees by 2050. And it’s not like they all just decide to migrate in that year.
We think things look fascist now? If we do not stomp out fascism immediately, there’s going to be mass genocide. If people stop being complacent right now, we could do so much better.
I don’t have my hopes up though.
Yep. There this complacent coddling that seems to have happened where people sit on fences for eons
“Let’s wait and see if we really do break 1.5ºC of warming. It’s too early to tell now” “Let’s wait and see if Trump does full Hitler. He’s got a unique style, but so many people voting for him can’t be wrong” “Let’s wait and see if we need to divest our USA interests and our military reliance. They have a difficult moment now, but surely will bounce back. They always have”
In a way, during peacetime, there is a sense of security in that fence sitting, but now, during wartime, it is the thing that costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
We’re in for a really tough ride.
Also, for those interested, there are safe spaces for people who have come off the fence. !collapse@lemmy.ml and !collapse@sopuli.xyz and !collapse@slrpnk.net being the most prominent on Lemmy atm.
Damn, that bait is so obvious, a newborn fish just looked at me like I was crazy for thinking it would fall for it.
If you don’t think there’s a significant chance of climate change wrecking modern civilization in the next 20 years, you’re just doing climate denial.
It was nice to have a planet while it lasted, I guess.
Don’t worry. The planet will be fine. We may not be around, but life will persist.
First of all I’m not even sure about that. Well, I guess the tardigrades will make it. Secondly, that thought still does not fill me with joy.
A massive chunk of the Antarctic shelf broke free last month. Researchers got an ROV there the next day and found an ecosystem that was entirely cut off from the world for centuries. Life will survive, even if humanity doesn’t.
Really tired of this response. It’s old. like, 80’s old. It was funny at first.
Cool story. Doesn’t make it any less true. And the reason why people keep saying it is because they are equally tired of the “OMG the planet is dying and we are destroying all life” chorus. We know. We don’t need more “awareness” raised for this problem, we need viable solutions. Ones that take the general population’s propensity for shitty behavior into account.
I love that this map still has the Gulf of Mexico.
I hate that this will be done to our national forests. They’re a natural treasure and should be protected for so many reasons.
“Emergency orders” designed to protect this country in case we’re attacked are being used by presidents to sidestep the constitutional as it regards separation of powers. It’s about time this shit came to an end also.
I guess America needed a declaration of emergency in domestic timber supply, caused by the declaration of an emergency of having friends as trading partners for timber 🦫…
How are Congress and Senate okay with just being made completely redundant? Don’t they have at least a modicum of professional pride?
