The butterfly effects would add up and and any zygote formed would not be the hitler-as-we-know anymore, since it would be a different combination of sperm and eggs.
Who needs guns when you got a time machine? Don’t like your highschool bully, just bump into their parents back in time. Or you know, “bump” ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) into their parents.
That’s not how any of this works. Not-quite-Hitler would still be exposed to the same influences and grow up to be the same person.
But its technically not your timeline’s hitler anymore.
Who knows, maybe this offspring produced by the same parents turned out to be XX chromosomes (aka: assigned female at birth) and therefore would not be in the same trajectory given the extreme-patriarchal and misogynistic society at the time. Or maybe even if he turned out to be assigned male at birth, he would have a slighly different personality that cause him to get shot to death in WW1.
But either way, you still caused your hitler to cease to exist.
That’s not how time works. If you go back in time and kill Hitler Hitler already happened in your timeline so he’s going to happen again. You can’t change things that already happened in your past.
Time is a one-way linear progression, you can’t go back in the first place. Any fictional story where time travel happens necessarily has its own rules, and every one is equally valid
It’s not like we actually know how time travel would work. Because, you know, it’s not currently a thing at all.
I think that it’s fairly settled accepted theory that if you perceived it it happened. If you went back to the past and caused it not to happen then it wouldn’t have happened and you wouldn’t have perceived it. Basically, you can’t change what already happened because whatever you did in the past had already happened when you perceived and therefore nothing that you did changed anything.
Not at all. There is many ways to rationalize time, nothing is settled at all. The “settled theory” you talk about would create paradoxes, if time travel is ever made real. And paradoxes don’t work well with reality.
There is actually a fairly common way to rationalize time that is the opposite of what you’re describing: Time is entirely a construct, there is no past, no future, only the present. Take away all of humanity’s memories and the past doesn’t exist at all.
There’s also an understanding of time that says it only goes forward, making time travelling to the past impossible.
The butterfly effect refers to divergent chaotic systems. Chaos in math isn’t the layman’s chaos. It doesn’t mean wild. It only means there is no closed form mathematical solution. For example stepping on a butterfly can’t affect the weather such that the moon would crash into the Earth.
Bumping into Hitler’s parents wouldn’t necessarily change anything. You have to do something drastic such that he was conceived days to weeks apart such that the sperm was completely different. Even a minor delay wouldn’t affect it because the sperm that fertilizes an egg isn’t random. There are selection hurdles in mobility that the sperm passes such that the most “fit” is likely the one that fertilizes the egg.
Chaos means that a small change in initial conditions can lead to drastically different places in the long term, so I think OP was using the idea correctly. Though I agree that just bumping into the parents may not be enough to push the system into another trajectory.
Chaos means that a small change in initial conditions can lead to drastically different places in the long term
Yes, what I was trying to explain is that it could (no closed form) but doesn’t necessarily mean that is must. A chain with 2 segments is a double pendulum, the classic simple chaotic system. If you hold a piece of chain and give it a light tap, it will move chaotically for a few seconds and then come back to rest. The system will not have changed. Even with a hard push, the chain can’t move beyond the limit of the links.
If you gave Hitler’s dad a push, he would stumble for a second (chaotically), then go back to walking (return to initial state). Nothing would change.
No it doesn’t mean that. It means that tiny changes in input result in big changes in the output.
By your definition, a simple ellipse is chaotic. Which it clearly isn’t. Tiny changes in the axes result in tiny changes to its shape, and by extension its perimeter. Yet there is no closed form formula for the perimiter of an ellipse.
This could also be verified using a simple dictionary, not even a math textbook.
A tiny change could mean a big change but it doesn’t mean that change must be unlimited. For example a double pendulum is a classic chaotic system. There is no solution but that doesn’t mean the pendulum can move greater than the length of its segments. It’s still a bound system.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
More importantly, in the real world, if you push a double pendulum, it won’t flail endlessly. It will eventually converge to the single state of rest.
what does any of that have to do with anything I said? By the way, that wikepedia page doesn’t contain the word “closed” anywhere in it. just saying
Just rape people, no murder needed!
Okay bud, thanks
I’m really curious how you managed to read the post that badly. Like, what combination of words do you have to misinterpret to get to that conclusion?
Edit: oh my god this guy moderates so many communities
This platform is cooked if this is who’s modding it
All you have to do is bump into Hitler’s biological parents before he was concieved, and you’ve erased his existence. No assassination plot is necessary.
The butterfly effects would add up and and any zygote formed would not be the hitler-as-we-know anymore, since it would be a different combination of sperm and eggs.
Who needs guns when you got a time machine? Don’t like your highschool bully, just bump into their parents back in time. Or you know, “bump” ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) into their parents.
It seems like maybe you read “any zygote formed would not be the hitler-as-we-know anymore,” and assumed it was a zygote formed from OP raping Hitler’s mom??? But if that’s it, you need professional help because this is outside my pay grade
We have our own hitlers living now. I think we should care about them first before thinking on time traveling
Maybe someone did send a time traveler. But idk why they sent a kid with zero training and no scope lmao. It was so fucking close.
