If you want to do something get out on the streets. South African apartheid fell with the help of international pressure.
Also you can boycott israeli goods.
Don’t know about the USA, but here in Europe and in Arab/Muslim countries, lots and lots of people are out on the street, multiple times a week.
I do agree that this is the best strategy, but I just don’t think we have enough of the population on our side.
Too many westerners value Jewish Israeli life more than that of a Palestinian.
In my country (Netherlands), Israeli bombings literally killed one of our citizens, after Israel had refused them exit out of Gaza. And our PM is silent.
Meanwhile, our government gave citizenship through a dubious legal procedure to an Israeli hostage who has a Dutch grandfather in order to give that boy a dual nationality.
We do not have equality in our country. Muslims are worth less than Jews here.
Israel intentionally bombed a US ship and killed 34 sailors. Instead of doing something about it we helped them cover it up. It’s fucking crazy how much we let them get away with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfla1
I think you’re lying about the “covering up” bits of this story. Investigations into the incident started right away, with the Israeli Air Force claiming that they had mistaken the ship for an Egyptian battle ship. As a result, Israel agreed to pay compensation as mentioned in the article:
In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$28 million in 2022) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($28.5 million in 2022) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($21.3 million in 2022) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.
Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones?
Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently.
You’re right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate.
The thing is that it can’t be a ceasefire until Hamas frees all the hostages. And even then, there is no guarantee that there won’t be another terrorist attack.
Downplaying the casualties is straight out of the holocaust denial playbook
I’m not saying the 6 million number is wrong I’m just asking for evidence?
Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It’s called JAQing off
The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you’re just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon’s history, they’re not asking in good faith.
If they weren’t just stirring shit it’s easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected:
Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports.
And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin’s law; but it’s really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it’s not an accident.
Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won’t have a clear picture of what’s going on for a long time.
Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn’t understand propaganda in war. I don’t think that’s most people, though.
Idk does these dead bodies look real too you?
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Are you copy/pasting the same comment, I am pretty sure I saw pretty much the same comment under another thread.
You should really change your repertoire otherwise people would start suspecting you are a bot.
Well here is the UN saying that Israel are in clear breech of international law.But maybe the UN chief is a member of hamas as well.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67201465
This is simply disgusting and utterly unjustifiable. Yes a nation has the right to defend itself - when it’s under attack as it was by Hamas two weeks ago. Once the attack is over, going into Gaza and blatantly murdering people is no longer “defense,” it is sick and perverted retaliation - a chance for mentally ill men to go use their sick weapons to kill, hurt, maim, torture, destroy, wound, and obliterate. Give them weapons, men will always invent (completely erroneous) reasons to use them againt innocent civilians. SHAME AND DAMNATION ON EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS WAR.
Both men and women serve in the Israeli military.
Also quit making this about your virtue signaling. There’s real people suffering and you’re not the lone voice in the wind.
Join a war protest. Donate to Amnesty International. Get involved if you care to do more than shame people who will never read your posts while proclaiming on social media how virtuous you are.
Was going to let this slide. But once I saw you had posted twice in this thread, I couldn’t. For the sake of myself and everyone else that reads your comments.
Thanks
Wow I really pressed your buttons, and that was the entire aim of my post. Glad it got this reaction.
I don’t believe it. The tone was holier than thou. Not rage bait.
But if you’d prefer to be thought of as a troll, more power to you.
This isn’t a fucking game where you take turns.
Retaliatory actions that prevent the next attack ARE self defense.
“Once the attck is over” - gtfo of here with that shit. Like you can actually say, “Oh, they pressed pause. Let’s all go back home until they unpause”
Any israelis or palestinians who engage in this war, for terrorist reasons, retaliation, or just for the sick thrill they get from killing children, is a total monster and to blame in every way with no exception. And all who participate, will burn in hell for the rest of eternity without exception and in every possible way. I am a lone voice screaming the horror of this war mentality into the wind. War is not a justifiable response to ANYTHING. And it never can be. But most especially, it cannot be justified by any group claiming to have any actual religious ideals of any kind.
As a Jew, I’d like you to know we don’t have the concept of hell.
The afterlife is pretty simple, if you lived as a good Jew (they aren’t) you live with God. If you live as a bad Jew, you live without God. That’s really about it.
That’s the Christian heaven and hell as I understand them too. From when I was being taught from someone who had studied the scripture, as a theologian, in an intense historical and philosophical way said the only canon Christians have on hell is that it is living without god. A lot of the imagery of Christian hell is about as biblically supported as Santa Claus. I could be wrong but that man knew more about Every Abrahamic religion than anyone id ever conversed with, and plenty of non Abrahamic ones too.
I like that concept. I happen to be atheistic, but I’ve worked with professors who were of the Jewish faith and helped serve and prepare food in their congregation and I love the people and their generosity. I’ve yet to encounter anyone of the Jewish faith I would call a bad person (but I’m not saying they aren’t out there, there are some in every tenet and faith). Thanks for the clarification!!
This isn’t a religious war. Even Hamas rewrote their charter in 2017 to specify that their resistance is against the Israeli state and not Judaism, and ended their relationship with the muslim brotherhood.
Sure many are religious and fundamentalists, but the majority Palestinian resistance is resisting because of colonialism and apartheid, not because a cleric has demanded it holy to do so.
6/10 - like the drama you put into it but I think overall there is not enough Iam14AndThisIsDeep.
