If you want to do something get out on the streets. South African apartheid fell with the help of international pressure.
Also you can boycott israeli goods.
Don’t know about the USA, but here in Europe and in Arab/Muslim countries, lots and lots of people are out on the street, multiple times a week.
I do agree that this is the best strategy, but I just don’t think we have enough of the population on our side.
Too many westerners value Jewish Israeli life more than that of a Palestinian.
In my country (Netherlands), Israeli bombings literally killed one of our citizens, after Israel had refused them exit out of Gaza. And our PM is silent.
Meanwhile, our government gave citizenship through a dubious legal procedure to an Israeli hostage who has a Dutch grandfather in order to give that boy a dual nationality.
We do not have equality in our country. Muslims are worth less than Jews here.
Israel intentionally bombed a US ship and killed 34 sailors. Instead of doing something about it we helped them cover it up. It’s fucking crazy how much we let them get away with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfla1
I think you’re lying about the “covering up” bits of this story. Investigations into the incident started right away, with the Israeli Air Force claiming that they had mistaken the ship for an Egyptian battle ship. As a result, Israel agreed to pay compensation as mentioned in the article:
In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$28 million in 2022) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($28.5 million in 2022) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($21.3 million in 2022) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.
It’s not genocide, it’s self-defense /s
Why the /s ?
It’s war. War has unfortunate and unavoidable casualties. Israel didn’t choose this war and has done everything it can to avoid it. Including pulling out unilaterally from the entire Gaza Strip in 2005.
The Palestinians were left to govern themselves and elected Hamas. Hamas has received hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from all over the world, including Israel. Israel supplied water, electricity, gas, fuel and work permits in Israel. Yet, instead of Hamas choosing to build civilian infrastructure and help the Palestinians, the leaders embezzled millions and the cose to build rockets and terrorism infrastructure and pay terrorist salaries.
Israel stood by and watched the world turn a blind eye, again and again, to rockets being fired i to civilian populations. Name one country that would allow that to happen to them and wouldn’t retaliate. We’re done with the so-called “proportionate responses”. What is the proportionate response to decapitated babies? To butchered toddlers? To kidnap and rape, and abduction of the elderly? There is no peace to be made with an organization that lives up to it’s charter claiming its intentions to kill you. Israel and the Jewish people swore that the holocaust would never happen again.
Never again means never again.
Hamas is ISIS and needs to be eradicated.
Fuck off. 50% of the people in gaza are minors. Minors israel keeps killing. Israel has done nothing to prevent escalation. They steal more and more land and shoot people from the safety of their walls. Both sides in this conflict, the Israel government and Hamas are the exact same level of inhuman.
Consider reading or listening to this on the question of moral equivalence:
Israel has done nothing to prevent escalation.
And what exactly hamas did to prevent escalation?
They steal more and more land and shoot people from the safety of their walls.
When did that happen last time?
Glad we’re able to see it for what it is.
It looks like reddit is overtaken by zionist propaganda. Most of the upvoted posts on /r/worldnews are cheering for the murder of children.
Israel already killed more kids, on top of all the kids they killed this year, and they’re still killing more.
Nobody over there cares. I think that site is done.
Israel and the Jewish people swore that the holocaust would never happen again
Except it is with Israel as the perpetrators
Hamas is ISIS and needs to be eradicated
So what sort of solution are you proposing? A final one perhaps? Daesh and Hamas are not related, but I guess to racists all vaguely Muslim people are the same, eh?
Daesh and Hamas have the same agenda - killing everyone different than them. Decapitation, rape and indiscriminately murdering innocent families in their homes. Add to that the Muslim factor and you have your similarity. Both ISIS and Hamas are much more ghan “vaguely Muslim”. Calling me a racist doesn’t change those facts.
The solution is eradicating Hamas like ISIS was (mostly) eradicated. Did you cry racism when war was being waged against ISIS?
Get off your high horse
Israel didn’t choose this war
Riiiight… Palestinians “chose” this war by not blinking out of existence as soon as Europeans initiated a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project on the land the Palestinians happened to be living on.
Riiiiight.
This is an absurd exaggeration of the reality of the situation. This did not become a genocidal/apartheid situation until after 1948. There was an opportunity for peace in the UN partition plan, which would have required no one to “blink out of existence”.
I guess you don’t realize that there are a good portion of Israelis that are not white.
Immigrants from Arab countries, Ethiopia, India, and others. These Jews were persecuted in their countries and suffered from pogroms and murders against their population there. In a similar situation you would call anyone else “refugees” yet somehow these Jews are called colonists and white supremists?!
GTFO of here with that shit
As a father of a soon-to-be-4-year-old, that picture tears me up inside. I can’t fathom losing my son, especially not in this way. That goes for both sides of this fucking terrible thing.
Children. Are. Not. Acceptable. Collateral. Damage.
This is the exact intention of this picture though. Hamas is notorious for staging photos and videos like this. You shouldn’t trust terrorists.
Remove all context from that photo. That’s what I see. Whether staged or not, children on both sides are experiencing these things. Once you become a parent, providing you wanted to be one intentionally, you see all children, not just your own, as innocence and any perception of grief for the loss of that child as personally identifiable and deeply felt. We, as a species and society, have lost our humanity if we look at a picture like that, no matter the context, and don’t immediately feel sadness for the known innocence lost.
I say this unironically, but I pity you.
No need to lose humanity. But its better to not allow terrorist play with or use it to their advantage.
You shouldn’t trust terrorists.
You’re right. No one should trust the IDF. War crime after war crime. They’re the worst plague on the planet since Isis, but actually have the backing of major world powers because they got their guys to weasel into the top of every nation’s government.
Anyone speaking out against their narrative, from the UN to newspapers are being cancelled.
These are Gazans. They’re not trained Hollywood actors dude. Look at the grief on their faces. That’s REAL. If it’s not real in this picture (for whatever reason), it’s real in thousands more. The stats alone show how many people have had to hold their dead children in their arms like this.
It’s disgusting. It’s Genocide. No people who suffered at the hands of Nazis in WWII, should ever perpetrate this kind of hell on someone else. Israel has forgotten everything. Their ancestors would be ashamed.
but actually have the backing of major world powers because they got their guys to weasel into the top of every nation’s government.
So they found something that works for them. It’s better than building nothing but rockets.
These are Gazans. They’re not trained Hollywood actors dude.
Oh. I’m sure both celebration of launching missiles and tears of receiving them back are sincere.
No people who suffered at the hands of Nazis in WWII, should ever perpetrate this kind of hell on someone else. Israel has forgotten everything. Their ancestors would be ashamed.
Palestinians should have not attacked Israel in the first place. They forget each time this happens that it only brings more tears. Their god is already sad by their attempts that only hurt themselves, and maybe doesn’t even approve.
Like if there’s any doubt that children are among the victims of Israel im this very momemt. Some people have no shame.
These are victims of hamas and its actions in the first place. Israel’s attacks are not unprovoked. Even though it sucks to know people are dying, context is important to understand better why it happened and how similar stuff could be solved.
Would you really like to exchange videos like that? I can drop you stuff with Palestinians being happy firing rockets, staging scenes for false victim reports etc.
In the end, it’s all about doing what’s better for your people or not, being terrorists or not. Hamas are very much below what anyone would call “adequate”. Israel is nothing like that.
Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones?
Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won’t have a clear picture of what’s going on for a long time.
Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn’t understand propaganda in war. I don’t think that’s most people, though.
Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently.
You’re right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate.
The thing is that it can’t be a ceasefire until Hamas frees all the hostages. And even then, there is no guarantee that there won’t be another terrorist attack.
Downplaying the casualties is straight out of the holocaust denial playbook
I’m not saying the 6 million number is wrong I’m just asking for evidence?
Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It’s called JAQing off
The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you’re just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon’s history, they’re not asking in good faith.
If they weren’t just stirring shit it’s easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected:
Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports.
And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin’s law; but it’s really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it’s not an accident.
If Israel wanted to end this they could. They’d get their hostages back and they’d get to mourn their dead.
Instead they immediately moved to starve millions of people to spite, what Wikipedia claims is (ie. a likely exaggerated) 20,000 Hamas members, of which Israel can only count one to be officially killed by their actions so far.
They’re now talking of a “final solution” for the “palestine problem”. Half are already homeless, trapped beside the border crossings that israel bombs if not to their liking. How long until Israel is either allowed to enact their “final solution” or instigates a regional conflict between countries trying to prevent that?
Hamas could end the suffering if they cared about Palestinians, by surrendering.
Hope the millions who will die in the following days make you feel fulfilled that you chose this mindset. History will not absolve you.
Real estate. Gaza is full of prime beachfront property. What exactly do you think the object of ethnic cleansing is?
This is so fucking moronic is makes my head hurt.
The more I’m on the internet, the more I notice comments that start off like this are usually wrong and the poster is insecure.
To drive Palestinians further off the small amount of land allotted to them?
Same shit they’ve been doing with their settlements, but at a quicker pace this time.
Best be quiet when adults are speaking
