and where did that bring you?

I find it so funny that these plastic and credit score are a problem since like 50 years but somehow farming and civilization would be responsible for it. Like capitalism is the only outcome for civilization. It’s scary how people are conditioned with this.

Some people believe technological advancement only has one single path. Innovation can only occur as a fixed formula where defined conditions must be met. For example, industrialization can only occur if coal and oil exists.

It’s a very arrogant stance which assumes we know everything about the nature of the universe and what is, is all there could ever be.

Farming basically invented work and employment. They should have realized something was not right about that back then.

It invented having a relatively reliable food surplus.

I wish I could make all these neoprimitives actually live the life for a week so they shut up forever about it.

We have more food than we know what to do with and people are still starving. Growing your own food provides a reward someone like you not only can’t experience, but if you did you wouldn’t be able to understand it.

What the fuck are you babbling about?

I wish I could get them to come to an actual farm and realize we aren’t trying to kill them or ruin the world.

Practically every single tribe on the planet decided that the odds for farming was better than rolling the dice every year.

That and hunter-gatherer tribes tend to get genocided.

I think it’s more likely that it was better odds, and those that continued nomadic life died off at a much higher rate.

Right, because hunting and gathering isn’t work. People just got food into their mouths doing nothing - like wild animals.

There’s a difference between working for your own and your communities good and working for someone else while not being allowed to keep your (fair share of) product/profit.

This difference is capitalism vs about anything else

That’s not how farming started though. They started farming so that they can feed themselves and their community. It eventually devolved into that, but it’s not how it started.

Early farming would have been communally owned land. But hunter gatherer life was not remotely as relaxed as dudes on yhe Internet would make it seem

I mean an-prim is like the dumbest ideology ever unless you actually think 50+% infant mortality and everyone who needs glasses being unable to survive is cool.

The farming is okay. Just make sure to discourage anyone from feeling they have some sort of divine ownership over the land. Examples:

Little Johnny says “This is my land!” Knock that little bugger over and say “it’s mine now.”

If John says “God has given me this land to carry out his will!” turn that fucker into fertilizer so that he may be of use to society.

So if you spend months preparing a harvest, you’d be cool with someone turning up in the night and taking the crops after you’ve done all the hard work? After all the land wouldn’t being to you.

They took more than was fair, so it wouldn’t be fair.

Group ownership of a resource isn’t in conflict with controlling the resource, or having laws and practices to determine how it’s used.

Kinda like how we all own Yellowstone park, but no one is free to bottle and carry off all the water from old faithful.

So do you think it’s fair for a group of people to raid a farm and pick what they haven’t contributed to growing as long as they take just enough to feed themselves, piggybacking off the work of the farmer? Why should the farmer agree to this?

Edit: rewrote the question to satisfy people who think asking questions about is somehow combative.