With apologies for voicing an opinion rather than linking an external article.

I am of the strong opinion that Remembrance Day had become at best grandstanding, and at worst, completely meaningless. There are phases tossed around like “Lest we Forget” or “Never Again”. But when Russia invaded Ukraine, we have effectively done the opposite (or very nearly).

Sure, we can send ammo so Ukranians can fight back, or host some of their forces for training. But the reality is, we are only marginally involved. We haven’t mobilized. We aren’t on war footing economically.

The root causes are many. But a combination of NATO’s article 5 protection only kicking in if we are attacked (rather than joining an already existing war), and the threat of nuclear retaliation, means we are paralyzed politically.

At a minimum: I would support direct involvement, whether that’s ramping up our own military, deploying specialists, reservists for minesweeping, stationing our own troops (meagre as they are) in Ukraine to directly support the fight. I would actually support much larger actions, including naval blockades or airspace closures but wholly understand that Canada cannot execute those on their own.

We cannot allow genocidal wars to be pressed in the modern world. And we should be doing everything we can about it. Right now, we’re doing barely more than nothing.

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You have forgotten the meaning of remembrance if you think the point is to glorify war. It’s meant to remember the sacrifices made, not hope for more.

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There are phases tossed around like “Lest we Forget” or “Never Again”. But when Russia invaded Ukraine, we have effectively done the opposite (or very nearly).

I read these two sentences as being at odds with each other.

When I hear “never again”, I take it to mean that we should remember the cost and horrors of war, and we shouldn’t enter into another war lightly.

We cannot allow genocidal wars to be pressed in the modern world.

Morally I agree. Practically, it’s a harder case to make. We’re currently ignoring genocide in Yemen, and the plight of the Rohingya, and Uyghurs.

When we tried to stop the Rwandan genocide, and failed miserably.

I doubt we’d do much better in Ukraine. Worse, it would give Putin an excuse to use nukes.

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If not for nukes, the West ( really any single NATO country frankly ) could end the war with Russia easily. Russia could not only be pushed out of Ukraine but perhaps the easiest way to do it would just be to occupy Moscow, form a new government, and end the war.

The lesson of history though is that the real problems begin after you do that. While the threat of nukes is real, I think the West is hiding behind that so that we do not have to directly engage. Having Ukraine do it for us is not only preferable to putting our own troops at risk but, perhaps more importantly, there is a lot more legitimacy to them fending off an invader. If it is done that way, the ability to achieve political stability and peaceful progress is greatly enhanced.

The West could be a little faster sending more advanced weaponry. If I was Ukrainian, I would feel like the blood of my countrymen was being spilled unnecessarily. That said, for the same reasons as above, the current pace is probably better for everybody in the long run.

Putin and Russia ( as it has been ) are unlikely to survive this conflict. What they get replaced by remains to be seen. In the long run though, that is the more important question and the more important objective. Ukraine needs to be liberated. In a way, Russia does too.

Honestly, things are being managed pretty well.

I had my kids at Remembrance Day this morning. I think we were there for the right reasons. We need to remember the sacrifice made by those that came before. We need to do what we can to build a world that honours that sacrifice. Patience. The easy answer is not always the best.

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the West … could end the war with Russia easily. Russia could not only be pushed out of Ukraine but perhaps the easiest way to do it would just be to occupy Moscow

Napoleon, is that you? 😬

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perhaps the easiest way to do it would just be to occupy Moscow, form a new government, and end the war.

That’s failed in every nation we, or any of our allies, have tried it.

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If you read the rest of what they wrote, yeah that’s pretty much the point.

Killing a bunch of people and even toppling governments is a lot easier than establishing a peace after doing so

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We’re currently ignoring genocide in Yemen, and the plight of the Rohingya, and Uyghurs.

Who is “we”? You and I have no power to prevent these things and the politicians we can choose from have no interest in doing more than tweeting about it.

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Those genocides aren’t part of OPs post. Our media and politicians mostly ignore them as well.

the politicians we can choose from have no interest in doing more than tweeting about it

Canadian politicians are providing Saudi Arabia with armoured vehicles.

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Don’t forget the genocide in Gaza that our government is actively supporting

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I read these two sentences as being at odds with each other.

Respectfully, I don’t.

Remember the days leading up to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, when anyone with half a brain could see what was coming? THAT was the time to say “never again”, and prove that the horrors of war hadn’t been forgotten: by taking a hard stance and not even allowing it to start.

Instead, politicians dragged their feet, bickered, and accepted Putin’s lies even though they knew better. Now, even the rosiest, most optimistic scenario will have to include unnecessary death and destruction. I don’t think we should take his threats of nuclear war seriously, either, unless we want to establish a precedent of letting any nuclear power commit any atrocity they want.

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Instead, politicians dragged their feet, bickered, and accepted Putin’s lies

Also his bribes. These fuckers aren’t just lazy and ignorant, they’re complicit

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Remember the days leading up to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, when anyone with half a brain could see what was coming? THAT was the time to say “never again”, and prove that the horrors of war hadn’t been forgotten: by taking a hard stance and not even allowing it to start.

I’d say the “we should have done something” window was during Putin’s rise to power and the (first? second?) invasion of Cechnya. But the West fucked off after winning the Cold War and here we are.

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I haven’t worn a poppy for years. Arguments can be made that WWI was an important part of Canadian history as it is essentially the start of our independence, and WWII is always framed as a battle against evil (although allied countries were mostly fighting to prevent invasions of territory, not against the holocaust. Canada turned away Jewish refugees during WWII after all). Remembering these wars for their historical significance is fine.

I really don’t see how any other wars or conflicts that Canadian soldiers have been sent to can be seen as heroic or deserving of honour. Year after year, Rememberance Day and the poppy are less about “Remember the sacrifices of WWI that lead to our independence and to end the atrocities commited by totalitarian governments in WWII” and more US-style hero worship of the military. A military that isn’t used for national defence or to defend the weak and innocent from evil but as a political tool to ensure natural resources from developing nations keep flowing into our ports. I get why it’s necessary, but I don’t think it should be glorified.

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Funds from poppy sales go to the Legion.

Fuck the Legion.

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I was just thinking about this, watching the ceremony. They’re covering it like it’s a royal wedding (Look at the crowd! What does this day mean to you, personally?), not a scheduled reminder that it could all happen again if we don’t learn from our mistakes.

As for Ukraine, they aren’t even asking for foreign troops so I’m more dovish than you I guess. But we should definitely keep sending them whatever they need, and not cut our military budget!!

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We cannot allow genocidal wars to be pressed in the modern world.

You’re aware of what’s going on in Gaza right?

I think in an increasingly multicultural Canada, the white-superiority, Eurocentric, colonialist values and perspectives that Remembrance Day conjures up feel outdated and oversimplified

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Yes. And Ethiopia. And Sudan. And Myanmar. Doesn’t change the point dramatically, except that all of the above are usually framed as internal issues rather than external wars of aggression. There’s a legit conversation to be had about increasing peacekeeping forces to diffuse some other conflicts too.

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That’s why I was so glad to see more feathers this year at the national ceremony. Honestly, even reconciliation aside it feels more familiar that way, and less like footage from somewhere in Europe.

The idea of a day to mark what happens when we let our guard down is good, but the implementation still needs to evolve.

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