With apologies for voicing an opinion rather than linking an external article.
I am of the strong opinion that Remembrance Day had become at best grandstanding, and at worst, completely meaningless. There are phases tossed around like “Lest we Forget” or “Never Again”. But when Russia invaded Ukraine, we have effectively done the opposite (or very nearly).
Sure, we can send ammo so Ukranians can fight back, or host some of their forces for training. But the reality is, we are only marginally involved. We haven’t mobilized. We aren’t on war footing economically.
The root causes are many. But a combination of NATO’s article 5 protection only kicking in if we are attacked (rather than joining an already existing war), and the threat of nuclear retaliation, means we are paralyzed politically.
At a minimum: I would support direct involvement, whether that’s ramping up our own military, deploying specialists, reservists for minesweeping, stationing our own troops (meagre as they are) in Ukraine to directly support the fight. I would actually support much larger actions, including naval blockades or airspace closures but wholly understand that Canada cannot execute those on their own.
We cannot allow genocidal wars to be pressed in the modern world. And we should be doing everything we can about it. Right now, we’re doing barely more than nothing.
Please don’t engage with trolls, just report them and move on. It makes cleanup much harder.
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You have forgotten the meaning of remembrance if you think the point is to glorify war. It’s meant to remember the sacrifices made, not hope for more.
There are phases tossed around like “Lest we Forget” or “Never Again”. But when Russia invaded Ukraine, we have effectively done the opposite (or very nearly).
I read these two sentences as being at odds with each other.
When I hear “never again”, I take it to mean that we should remember the cost and horrors of war, and we shouldn’t enter into another war lightly.
We cannot allow genocidal wars to be pressed in the modern world.
Morally I agree. Practically, it’s a harder case to make. We’re currently ignoring genocide in Yemen, and the plight of the Rohingya, and Uyghurs.
When we tried to stop the Rwandan genocide, and failed miserably.
I doubt we’d do much better in Ukraine. Worse, it would give Putin an excuse to use nukes.
We’re currently ignoring genocide in Yemen, and the plight of the Rohingya, and Uyghurs.
Who is “we”? You and I have no power to prevent these things and the politicians we can choose from have no interest in doing more than tweeting about it.
Those genocides aren’t part of OPs post. Our media and politicians mostly ignore them as well.
the politicians we can choose from have no interest in doing more than tweeting about it
Canadian politicians are providing Saudi Arabia with armoured vehicles.
I read these two sentences as being at odds with each other.
Respectfully, I don’t.
Remember the days leading up to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, when anyone with half a brain could see what was coming? THAT was the time to say “never again”, and prove that the horrors of war hadn’t been forgotten: by taking a hard stance and not even allowing it to start.
Instead, politicians dragged their feet, bickered, and accepted Putin’s lies even though they knew better. Now, even the rosiest, most optimistic scenario will have to include unnecessary death and destruction. I don’t think we should take his threats of nuclear war seriously, either, unless we want to establish a precedent of letting any nuclear power commit any atrocity they want.
Remember the days leading up to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, when anyone with half a brain could see what was coming? THAT was the time to say “never again”, and prove that the horrors of war hadn’t been forgotten: by taking a hard stance and not even allowing it to start.
I’d say the “we should have done something” window was during Putin’s rise to power and the (first? second?) invasion of Cechnya. But the West fucked off after winning the Cold War and here we are.
If not for nukes, the West ( really any single NATO country frankly ) could end the war with Russia easily. Russia could not only be pushed out of Ukraine but perhaps the easiest way to do it would just be to occupy Moscow, form a new government, and end the war.
The lesson of history though is that the real problems begin after you do that. While the threat of nukes is real, I think the West is hiding behind that so that we do not have to directly engage. Having Ukraine do it for us is not only preferable to putting our own troops at risk but, perhaps more importantly, there is a lot more legitimacy to them fending off an invader. If it is done that way, the ability to achieve political stability and peaceful progress is greatly enhanced.
The West could be a little faster sending more advanced weaponry. If I was Ukrainian, I would feel like the blood of my countrymen was being spilled unnecessarily. That said, for the same reasons as above, the current pace is probably better for everybody in the long run.
Putin and Russia ( as it has been ) are unlikely to survive this conflict. What they get replaced by remains to be seen. In the long run though, that is the more important question and the more important objective. Ukraine needs to be liberated. In a way, Russia does too.
Honestly, things are being managed pretty well.
I had my kids at Remembrance Day this morning. I think we were there for the right reasons. We need to remember the sacrifice made by those that came before. We need to do what we can to build a world that honours that sacrifice. Patience. The easy answer is not always the best.
perhaps the easiest way to do it would just be to occupy Moscow, form a new government, and end the war.
That’s failed in every nation we, or any of our allies, have tried it.
we are only marginally involved. We haven’t mobilized.
Stop right there.
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we cannot mobilize against another NATO member
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Ukraine isn’t a NATO member, and sadly our legal obligation is a matter of political debate. We are winning the debate, but it’s slow, and political opponents plan to use this support of a state they don’t value as a means to seize control on the next election
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even our hands-off, here-are-guns involvement is not without complaint and scrutiny.
The truth is, we forgot that Russia rules by its strength and we obviously have no clause about belligerent invasions terminating membership. And while Russia is a.member of NATO, no one will consider invading.
…which is good, as the only thing Russia spent its money on was its military. It’s like America, but with more corruption and less money to throw around.
This proxy war is already too much while it’s also not enough. It’s going to ruin our current leaders and plunge us into a populist nightmare the likes of which we’ve been seeing in America for a decade. Let’s not be more idiots voting without the facts, as we already have enough of those to damn us.
The NATO alliance was created so countries could protect one another from Russia’s military. When the USSR still existed, they responded by creating the Warsaw Pact, which consisted of countries on or near their border with Europe. In the time since the USSR collapsed, several former Warsaw Pact countries have joined NATO.
Russia absolutely despises NATO, and always has. Putin has used the expansion of NATO as one of his excuses for invading Ukraine (he claims to see NATO as a threat, but since the NATO treaty is purely defensive, I don’t understand his reasoning there).
I get where you are coming from but I disagree in getting involved like that in Ukraine.
Gaza, though, as tough as it might be politically we should get involved to try to stop fighting in any way. Neither side will get what they want anytime soon without thousands more Israelis and Palestinians dying. If Canadians truly wish to protect our peacemaking legacy this is where we’d act, rather than Ukraine which even if I support them over Russia, our involvement would be for our own and our allies’ benefit than for peace.
