Very fitting headline in a day and age where I’m constantly seeing people advocating for giving trump the Whitehouse and finishing the country off because anything less would be SuPpOrTiNg GeNoCiDe. As if the move to help Palestinians would be to elect Trump. These people are very stupid children, bots, or Russian paid actors. Impossible to know which.
vote biden because trump bad
what about their resumes? what have either candidates done that has benefited your life enough directly that demands your vote?
please name one thing biden has done that your life now is better for
was it the cannabis reforms he promised and flip flopped on with prosecutor harris? was it the police reforms he promised? was it defending our human rights? was it the immigration policies he talked up that now mirror republican strategies? or is that stagnant paycheck after biden promised a higher minimum wage of $15 which is still too low due to the inflation?
forgot he can not do anything because republicans and republicans never can do anything either because democrats
through policies and laws crafted and put in place by politicians like biden, trump, obama, and the list goes on my right to vote was taken so not like have a say in this election anyways
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
Not that those links would be the metric to go by when voting, but they do not support your position as Biden’s stats are much better there.
I will not waste any more time on you so don’t bother replying
Why am I unsurprised that its lemmy.world libs bringing the ‘everyone I don’t like is a russian bot’ line to the fediverse.
Biden is assisting a genocide though. Will I vote for him in 2024? Most likely. I still fucking hate him though.
I mean, that’s fine. I only have a problem with people who will watch the world burn under the guise of principles
But if biden loses I’m going to blame HIM, not the voters. We all know how dangerous trump is. If biden and other mainstream dems actually believed it they’d be pushing boundaries like never before. But they’re not. They’re actually moving further right to try and appease “centrists” which is pretty much what the social democrats did in Germany in the 30s and we see how well that worked out. They should be promoting the organizing of militias in case trump supporters try to fuck around and seize power again if democracy really is on the line.
Millions are supposed to swallow their Principles and vote for this one man, when the by far simplest, easiest solution to “keep Trump out” is for this single man to change his actions.
Clearly for Joe Biden keeping Trump out is secondary to “I should be able to do whatever I want”, the very opposite of “I am but the elected representative of the will of the voters”.
I know some people that certainly seem to think I have to like him to vote for him. They genuinely think I’m going to sit out an election that could have a wannabe dictator on the ballot.
Russian paid actors.
I got into that exact argument about Biden. Eventually I called the person a Putin puppet and got my post deleted by a Lemmy.world mod.
The “automod” just removed 5 of my comments for complete bullshit reasons, but it honestly does seem like they did it in response to the exact same issue – I claimed someone is a russian actor. I’m now wondering who runs lemmy.world, and what exact agenda they have.
Despite it claiming “automod” there were human-written reasons, one of which was “Provide evidence of shilling or this is personal insult.”
You do realize I read Lemmy right?
No, they were reported multiple times, and I removed them by hand, no bots were involved.
Like I said in the modlog, if you have actual evidence of botting, let’s see it, otherwise, you are intentionally antagonizing people, and I can’t let you do that.
Annnnd I was banned from politics on lemmy.world. this is actually kind of messed up. I don’t think I said anything particularly offensive even. It seems like it was more about my message.
I was banned from all of . world for shit posting in a running group by saying I’m too fat to run. The group crossed my feed when I was sorting by all and I said it just for shits and giggles.
That got me banned but when I went on the discord and asked about this another mod came along and reversed it.
So, you got into an argument, turned to insults, and moderation kicked in. Sounds like everything is working OK.
Sounds overzealous to me. Wrapped up in that is the assumption that associating a person with Putin is said as just a way to hurt feelings, rather than a perhaps-assuming claim… before yesterday, it never once occurred to me that a mod would have an issue with a claim of association that cannot be proven either way. Might as well start banning people for telling each other they’re wrong.
lemmy despite trying not to be like reddit, it’s still moderated by people that get off on the power trip exactly the same
A child often behaves like an LLM-based bot - a child too often will imitate proper argumentation in style, but say junk, because they want to “win” an argument and not be correct. I would do that when I was a child.
I mean, adults do that too all the time, so the only way to distinguish bots from people is to communicate with people you know are real or others know are real.
I love how the old way of using the Web would solve this problem automatically, and P2P solutions with webs of trust too, but the majority of people uses the architecture most advantageous to bots.
Almost as if you needed bots to attract the majority of people. They wouldn’t come to the web otherwise, for just real people and real communities. It’s like a hunter’s whistle. Or like porn.
I have a little trick to tell whether im arguing with someone who actually is astroturfin vs someone who’s simply ignorant. I just prick their egos, just a bit. Just a a minor one mind you, not a full throated dismissal. I like to work one into an otherwise on-topic reply.
Almost always the other person zeroes in on and rises to the bait. If they don’t? Theyre working. Similarly, astroturfers won’t get nasty like real folks do, or double down like real folks do if you debunk their argument well. Astroturfers dont want eyes in that so they’ll simply ghost you.
Just my hypothesis of course.
Dunno what to do about figuring their age except tell people mine. Sometimes that gives my words more weight. If my experience is instead dismissed, i always have my 30 years of Internet shit talking under my belt! Insults don’t hit as hard when they’re all re-runs :)
Edit: anyone want to tell me why they don’t like this? Points don’t matter when it doesn’t hide your comment but I am actually confused. You don’t like it? Think it’s bullshit? I am here for your complaints
Almost always the other person zeroes in on and rises to the bait.
That’s a bad method especially on Lemmy which prides itself on friendliness.
If I know I’m right, and coming down hard on someone in an argument, I actively avoid acknowledging insults because I see it as a tactic to stall from losing an argument.
People will start ramping up insults before they lose in order to bait you into arguing about the insults instead of the facts that they are wrong about.
Respectfully, I don’t think lemmy is as friendly as all that. It’s a shit- ton better than Reddit though, (where i developed the method). That aside, there’s also my belief that there aren’t nearly as many astroturfers here (simply because of lemmys limited scope).
And if what you said is true about avoiding responding to insults, youre kind of a unicorn. Be proud. Most peoples egos are right there on their sleeves, and if youve been around the block you know (at least on that) I’m right.
People tie their egos to their beliefs. To attack their viewpoint is to attack them personally. People will get frustrated when you blow up an argument. People are easy.
Now id like to move discussion away from how I’m wrong and my methods bad, and towards other related ideas. Perhaps we might discuss ways to better my method instead of throwing it out (perfect being the enemy of good and all that)? I would also enjoy hearing methods (maybe you have some) of seperating astroturfers from posters.
Because they exist, and throwing up my hands is unacceptable
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A really good way I have found that doesn’t turn the audience against you like barbecuing souls does is to not speak to whoever you’re replying to at all. Openly say you’re addressing the audience and speak of your opponent in the third person, the way you do when you are talking about someone else right in front of them. Or like, the way you’d show them a new game system you bought, or cookies you made, or something.
I did that before to an astroturfer on Reddit and the guy never responded back, and I got tons of sweet sweet Reddit karma.
Do you keep a list of people whom you’ve verified as human, perchance?
That’s a bad method especially on Lemmy which prides itself on friendliness.
I’ve seen a minor increase in people willing to reply and bring actual sauce to discussion. I’ve still never seen anyone willing to change their mind despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. Even when you have a username like my which goads people into ad hominems using fake historical earworms lol.
Your strategy, while innovative, is fundamentally flawed. It’s disingenuous and presumptuous, alienating those who maintain composure and objectivity rather than reacting emotionally to your minor provocations.
I propose an easier solution: interact with people who you find interesting. Worst case, you have a wonderful conversation with a bot and find your prejudice wasn’t even warranted.
You think that anyone behaving like an adult after you insult them is a shill? Kee-rist, no wonder the internet is in such bad shape.
i always have my 30 years of Internet shit talking under my belt! Insults don’t hit as hard when they’re all re-runs :)
Only 30? If you weren’t online before '93 then you’re a n00b.
Would you mind explaining what party of my comment made your get angry?
Did you extrapolate what i said, (i do this with people i suspect) to mean i do this to everyone?
Was it when i mentioned people’s egos? did i come off as arrogant?
Im interested now that everyone’s all cooled down in what got everyone all pissed off, cuz again believe it or not that wasn’t the comment’s intent
What do you say?
Effectively you are dismissing users based on your own feelings and not much else
Eh. I have 160 replies that I haven’t even looked at. Most of the time I just can’t be bothered to respond to you.
I think I’m probably just gonna end up in the inbox but why would you even comment on a forum if you had no interest in what the other person had to say? In this thread i suppose it’s necessary to say I’m not trying to trick ya, I’m curious! i wonder: what are you getting out of commenting without seeing replies?
Most of the time I don’t reply. Sometimes I do though :)
You know that meme about the people who type up a whole response and then delete it, don’t post it, and move on? That’s unironically me, except now I skip the first three steps. My opinion isn’t worth anything and I (more or less) gave up trying to get people to change their opinions online a long time ago.
I like seeing what other people have to say on various subjects. I don’t really like sharing, myself.
Akshually, Distinguishing between an AI-generated comment and a child’s input can be challenging due to evolving language models. Both may exhibit simplicity, occasional errors, or innocence in expression. As technology progresses, this line blurs, prompting reflection on the nature of communication and the expanding capabilities of AI.
Everyone’s being funny about it, but the Dead Internet Theory is looking more and more rational, especially on Reddit. I really don’t have any rational reason to expect that even the dancing TikTok people are real, never mind Reddit comments. I’m fairly certain that I am a living thing, but I have to question everyone else, with all due respect.
Man, Reddit’s weird now. I think it’s just responding to the cookies that it sets as I use it, but I don’t log in and FF dumps cookies every time I close the browser for the night, so when I browse into r/All there’s a new “hot” subreddit every time, and it’s always kind of random. The usual suspects, like JusticeServed and all that fashy shit, those are kind of conspicuously absent, too.
I think Reddit’s on their way out, not because of Lemmy, sorry, but because all the normies getting forced online in 2020 was the last hurrah, and the site is on the way down, finally, I can feel the traffic dropping. Everyone’s either getting sucked into the jet engine of TikTok and Instagram or they’re just using group chats and avoiding social media altogether.
The fascinating thing about modern Reddit is at long last the Americans all seem to have left, and suddenly the site feels like it belongs to the EU, and even South America a bit. So either it’s about to rise with a new flame in this next decade or you should probably buy one share of the IPO as a keepsake and no more. I wonder how long it will take to delist.
My dude, I’ve spent the last couple years really upgrading my finance chops and now I just keep looking around at the variety of internet based things that seem to be winding down like a shitty old clock while going, hah! interest rates too high now! The current internet was only possible in the free money era.
Reddit is for cops. Its destruction was on purpose.
El/gin ai,rforce base is reddit’s most addicted city in a scrubbed blog post. Here’s a reddit post bragging about it to fellow a,irforce.
What do they do at El/gin? Don’t click anything. They do many things but mostly oh, nothing. Nothing to see here.
They’re just kidding, right? Right?
They wouldn’t do anything malicious, would they?.
That can’t be legal can it? Oh, thanks Obama.
It’s a dead platform for cops, square haircuts, corporate fellatio, thugs of capital, jackboot goons, and well trained Jan 6 architects
I really don’t have any rational reason to expect that even the dancing TikTok people are real
Judging by where the quality of fully AI video on the AI image subs is at, we’re probably still a few months out from that being easily possible.
We are already there, here is a good example https://www.instagram.com/emilypellegrini
Are you in the EU yourself? Americans have not left reddit. Simply, Reddit has been agressively trying to expand into the EU and LATAM, by constantly pushing the local equivalent of English subreddits like me_irl. To the point where if you are in the EU and logged out you will maybe 10% English content and 90% content in your language.
I mean… welcome to the internet. It’s not just Reddit, but most social media, and some “news” sites.