Don’t call them gamers, that gives them credence and insults actual gamers. Call them what they are: insecure babies. There are many, many insecure babies with the exact same opinion that do not play games. They are worse than the gamer bros, because they’re out harassing people face to face.
The problem isn’t games or gamers or gamer culture. It’s ignorant bigots. (yes, I know it’s still fun to make fun of gamergate crap, that’s why I still upvoted the joke)
The meme is drawing a difference between lowercase g gamers, who are normal people who play video games, and capital G Gamers™, who are insecure manchildren who tend to make up a vocal majority among gaming communities. If you disagree, spend some time in a CoD lobby, or on /v/, or in real life with men who spend their time playing video games. There are a lot more Azs than you think.
I really don’t see it much and I’ve been online gaming since the 90s. I think drawing attention to it like this meme creates more problems than it fixes.
Just ignore any trolls you come across. Don’t engage. The silence is more painful to the bigots than whatever logic or empathy you try to throw at them.
Same here. It’s most definitely gotten much better nowadays. There has definitely been a culture shift to where those kind of people stick to their own private discord calls now. The fact that almost every game has a report button for that kind of behavior has definitely helped.
“… or in real life around men who play video games.”
Yea, that’s me and all my friends, and we’re not toxic bigots. Thank you for proving that this spreads prejudice and not awareness.
Not that I don’t deny it, but are these things people think/care about? It’s a video game, I can be anything depending on the game I am playing. I don’t get mad or wonder why I have to play as a woman in some, hell I was perfectly fine playing last of us 2 which was a woman and gay. I can be a spirit or an alien and that’s why games are so great.
There are definitely people who think about this. I bet this guy would. For context, this poor man can’t get immersed into Starfield because it asks him for his character’s pronouns. =(
Picking pronouns is like picking height/weight/any other customization, just how you want to be seen or what text to put in the lines NPCs say to your character.
What an idiot.
Wait, so does he want the game to force all players to be non binary? I’m not watching that video and giving him views.
That reminds me of people saying that The Sims 4 has “gone woke” when introducing romantic preferences a few years ago.
That was completely stupid on so many aspects (including the fact that this meant that Sims used to be pan, so they were complaining about the possibility to make a straight character?)
I spent 50 hours in starfield and honestly I don’t even remember the gender selector. I’m pretty sure it’s just a little toggle in the character creator that switches from fella to lady to neither, which… Isn’t that exactly the immersion this little guy wants? People referring to him as a him instead of a them? It’s not exactly staring you in the face throughout the entire game. Makes me sad to think this rant probably got famous because this kid has people who value his opinion.
I grew up with plenty, I still know a few through mutual friends. Every opportunity to complain about how “woke” games are these days is taken. If an lgbtq+ character is in any way involved, they immediately change any reviews to 1 star, start massively shittalking the game, and continue to play it while bitching to everyone and anyone about it the whole time, and for weeks after they finish.
In games that let me choose, I play a woman most of the time. Been mocked for it. Cool Bro, you play your way I play mine. Only I don’t spend my time thinking of ways to try and make you feel bad for it.
When you can play as a mining ship captain in the year 3300 , a green plumber turned Ghost-buster in a world with kidnapping turtles , and a dinosaur all on the same day, like you said, who gives a fuck
I don’t understand people who complain about things like this.
Just don’t play it. Easy as that. No conversation needed. Go play something else. There’s only an infinite number of other options that you can spend your time on.
Imagine being forced to game. What a world that would be.
Representation matters.
The more it’s shown, the more it becomes socially acceptable.
I’ve been thinking a lot about this of late, mainly around TV series and movies.
(As a side note my own morality on all of this is comes from having lived my early adult years in The Netherlands: for me all sexual orientations are normal things, same as eye colors, height and so on, so there is no “right” or “wrong” sexual orientation, just like there is no “right” or “wrong” eye color, and sexual orientation is not even important outside a sexuality context)
I agree with you on that: show it as normal and people will start seeing it as normal rather than give some disproportionate importance to what is just another human characteristic that varies from person to person, which IMHO the best way for everybody to treat people equally independently of sexuality - only a nutter would treat somebody differently because of, say, eye color, and as I see it in the ideal world it would be just the same for sexual orientation.
That said, forcing displays of sexuality or sexual orientation isn’t the way to go, IMHO, because it keeps the whole thing in this special pedestal and goes against normalization of it because it does not treat it as normal.
Unfortunatelly a lot of TV series and Movies of recent have forced displays of non-majority sexual orientation rather than just having it as just as normal as all else - say, some otherwise asexual character is made to explicitly be gay or some other non-majority sexual orientation for no actual story-related reason - although there are a few that just portray it as “just another bunch of people” (say, one of the couples in the neighbourhood happen to be gay, and they’re living life like everybody else or somebody just happens to be attracted to somebody else of the same gender and it makes sense to show it as part of the story) which is how it is in real life, at least in civilized countries.
It all feels like the makers are preaching to us through this medium rather than the whole thing just being a representation of “normal life” (in the story setting) with all the range of normal characteristics that humans have (which naturally includes a range of sexual orientations).
(Mind you, I also think unecessary emphasis on the sexuality of straight characters is ridiculous: beyond what is relevant for the story in terms of how it affects how characters relate, I don’t see why straight people’s sexuality has to be highlighted).
I think we should strive to display the variety of the human condition without actually putting things like sexual orientation in a pedestal and treat it all as special (hence, by implication, not normal). It’s not easy though, especially in countries like US where morality has been picked up by Politics and thinks which are absolutelly normal human characteristics have been fetishised beyond all logice and turned into battlefields.
All that said, in story-driven games and other media, were there is emphasys in human relations, you’ll almost always end up with sexuality involved, if only because sexual attraction is a frequent drive for the how people relate and act around each other so it’s a bit harder to have a normal range of human behaviour there without seeming to be forcing anything.
Other than RPGs that let you choose, what games have you play as a gay protagonist?
I was thinking the same thing, I imagine there’s an indie game or two out there but the dude bros probably aren’t playing those. Celeste came to mind but that’s not a gay protagonist so much as a trans one.
Celeste is also one of those games where the story has nothing to do with the character’s sexuality, and you wouldn’t know if you didn’t look it up.
In Hades on the other hand, Zagreus is as bi as… an ancient Greek demigod, I suppose. You can romance a female Fury who loves strappy leather and whips, or the literal God of Death. Or both at the same time, even.
However I feel like those who could have judged it may have given it a free pass because, well, it is ancient Greece.
Oh yeah, how could I forget Hades. Kind of everything goes with him, though (I’m grateful how Dusa ends, haha). But yes, it is ancient Greece.
If you can believe it, Super Lesbian Animal RPG
Sounds like a pity contest.
Its more so none of us complain that we play straight characters. Because it’s not a big deal. We get straight people exist. We don’t hate straight characters. So if we can do it and be perfectly fine and not feel like it’s being shoved down our throats, then why can’t straight people play gay characters? Yall get the vast majority. Just play this one with a gay character.
Or don’t. Theres thousands of games that come our every year. So much that I could make a list of games that have come out in the last 2-3 years I was excited for, never got around to, and will probably never play, because as an adult I just don’t have the time to play all the games I want to.
We have so many, that if yall stopped focusing on the one few with gay characters, you can find plenty of others to enjoy. Why bitch and moan once we get a game with gay characters?
Half the time it’s not even main characters. I remember seeing YouTubets throwing a fit because one side mission has you help a male high-school student ask another boy out to prom. Completely optional. Easily skip able. You do the mission, and them move on. And that was too much. It’s not even when we have a main character. It’s when we exist.
Boulders Gate 3. The option for a queer character is there. The option is too much.
Boulders Gate 3. The option for a queer character is there. The option is too much.
Could you elaborate? I only ask because i havent installed the game yet and dont understand what you mean and would like to know how it will affect game play. What does too much mean here?
Much appreciation if you do answer but thanks anyway for saying something if you dont want to.
No problem. Basically I also saw posts about how BG3 was also “woke”, not just because you can play as a woman, but also because you can romance anyone(or at least the main NPCs). So you can be straight, gay, lesbian, or even romance multiple people and be bi. It’s all an option and you’re not forced to romance anyone if you don’t want to. But just the option being there was enough to get people to throw a fit. Even though having plenty of options is kind of the point of the game.
This game takes it a step further during character customization than most do. You get to choose body type (as in feminine vs masculine, though they don’t call it that), voice, genitals, and gender (pronouns). And none of these things are tied to any of the others. They can all be mixed and matched however you see fit.
The only way these affect gameplay is just how people refer to your character in dialogue, and what your character model looks like in the cut scenes.
