Following his trial for defamation of the families of the children and school staff killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is using Valve Corp.’s Steam, the world’s largest digital distribution platform for PC games, to sell an Infowars-themed video game. Jones claims to have earned hundreds of thousands in revenue from the video game, yet he has refused to pay the Sandy Hook families. Alex Jones: NWO Wars also mirrors and cartoonishly repackages the conspiracy theorist’s regularly violent, hateful rhetoric despite the platform’s policies against hate speech.

62 points

Look, people need something to play after they’ve finished Hogwarts Legacy.

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What’s up with Hogwarts legacy? It’s one of the most progressive minded games I’ve ever played, so much so that J.K.Rowling herself tried to taint it by saying money that went to that game supported her views instead of the views in the game. Even though she doesn’t get any residuals from sales. She tried to tank sales to get back at them for making an open minded game instead of one that aligns with her views.

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It’s one of the most progressive minded games I’ve ever played

That is such an incredibly low bar. What passes as progressive values in AAA games is just a shoehorned and saccharine checklist progressiveness. I can almost understand why the chuds get annoyed because playing some games can be like bad corporate DEI training.

Right wing ideology meanwhile is baked into gameplay. It doesn’t matter much if the themes are anti-racist so long as every problem can be solved with the right gun. It doesn’t matter if you’re a socialist state in a strategy game who’s economy is straight out of the Chicago school.

A couple games get it right. “This War of Mine” shows you what’s happening in the out of bounds areas of Call of Duty. “Darkest Dungeon” is a microscope on the exploitation of capitalism. But good luck finding something like this in the AAA space.

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It doesn’t matter much if the themes are anti-racist so long as every problem can be solved with the right gun.

Welp, so much for me trying to cite Wolfenstein 3D as a progressive-minded AAA game.

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Lots of TERFs and anti-LGBTQ+ knuckledraggers made it a point to “play wizard game to own the libs” after many people decided not to play it on grounds that, regardless of whether or not it directly supported JK Rowling, it certainly indirectly supports her by spotlighting Harry Potter.

Also, as you said, JK Rowling tried to fuck with it because she’s a pissed off TERF, and some people just want to distance themselves from that whole mess.

In other words, Hogwash Legacy became a virtue signal for the fragile snowflakes on the right to stand cucked in solidarity with their astroterf queen.

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Right… But how is that the games fault if it’s a good game with a very progressive message? If anything you would want people on the right to be tricked into playing a game that supports what they fear.

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No matter what side you’re on, this is a quality joke.

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And unfortunately, that Stormfront Doom mod isn’t on Steam afaik.

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Lock him up (for life, 0 chance of getting out), Access his bank accounts, pay out the damn families already, forget about him and let him rot in there.

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Do you think he did the shooting himself?

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He is one of the key figures leading a mob that has made the lives of parents a living hell.

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Ooooo TALKING = LIFE SENTENCE . Maybe you should talk a therapist and let the anger out peacefully. Don’t involve your emotions. Surely a rational person cannot think that is a reasonable punishment.

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Do you like Alex Jones?

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(Most sane supporter of him)

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Depends on what they’re talking about.

e.g. “Let’s plan a murder” vs. “Let’s plan dinner”

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Lock him up (for life, 0 chance of getting out)

Defamation is a civil matter, so there’s no chance of this. There’s really only one case in the US where someone can be locked up for failing to pay what they owe from a civil court decision, and that’s child support.

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:(

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George W. Bush still hasn’t been charged for war crimes

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Both deserve jail time for the rest of their lives. And even that’s too good for them. What’s your point?

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Great, so we can just let every other criminal off the hook until that happens? What a wonderful idea.

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Valve allows this?

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To the best of my knowledge Valve allows basically everything that’s not outright illegal. They aren’t nearly as much of a “good” corporation as they’re often framed as. They’ll happily provide a platform for and take their 30% from anyone, including racists, misogynists, homophobes, etc.

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Or maybe they don’t see it’s their place to gatekeep the store based on their own morals. If you start - where do you draw the line? Some examples like such games may be obvious, but there will be a lot more that are less so.

If people disagree with the message - nobody forces them to buy it after all and you can block any game from even showing up for you in the store, in my opinion it’s plenty enough from the valve’s part. I’d rather be the judge myself as to what I want and what I don’t want to see and play, rather than any corporation.

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The problem with that is that providing a platform and a revenue stream is providing support. Whatever the intent is, that is the result. The issue isn’t what I see on the Steam store, it’s providing a platform at all.

And yes, obviously there’s the question of where to draw the line. But not drawing one at all means providing support for the Alex Joneses of the world. There’s no way around that. And I don’t think that that’s a worthwhile trade.

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They used to disallow adult games, they don’t allow NFT or crypto.

They have drawn plenty of lines, and moved them when it benefits them. They are just like any other corporation, they just hide it really well and the fans forgive or hide the rest for them.

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I find the “where do you stop” argument to be riddled with holes. Laws are essentially written to explicitly outline boundries and moderation policies are basically just internal laws. Like Canadian law has very specific laws regarding what constitutes hate speech, here is what that looks like.

First you outline protected grounds. In Canada this is race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted. (note: pardons are only available via democratic votes or through appeals in Canada)

There’s a stage where you determine what context stuff is in. Like whether it is being performed publicly or privately but marketing a video game is definitely publicly so in tgis context we can skip to it’s last part where you explicitly define hate speech. Hate speech is rhetoric that :

  • Describes group members as animals, subhuman or genetically inferior

  • Suggests group members are behind a conspiracy to gain control by plotting to destroy western civilization

  • Denying, minimizing or celebrating past persecution or tragedies that happened to group members

  • Labelling group members as child abusers, pedophiles or criminals who prey on children Blaming group members for problems like crime and disease

  • Calling group members liars, cheats, criminals or any other term meant to provoke a strong reaction including usage of known slurs in the context of intended harm to group members.

These rules likely wouldn’t touch some hateful rhetoric that sneaks through under the wire disguised in very abstracted metaphor but it creates a pretty distinct pass fail bar that would catch explicit hate speech on their platform.

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This is too bad, but yes. They are like any other large corporation, I suppose – motivated primarily by greed.

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Valve allows basically everything that’s not outright illegal

While true, and I agree it’s the right thing to do, some things like this and the Rittenhouse game are in a weird murky gray area where one could argue that it’s inciting violence etc. And if that someone is a lawyer, they could convince a judge/jury that it is illegal.

I agree that they should allow anything that isn’t illegal, but people say this like it’s black and white, and legality very much is not black and white.

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Unless it pisses off the Chinese government, like the game Devotion that was released from a Taiwanese developer. But I don’t think Steam has a high ground so much as it has good PR while not being extremely greedy. In contrast, GOG also removed it, which sort of discredited any high ground they had.

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Why not? It’s not like the kids are going to boycott them. Boycotts are only for easy to refuse things. Or things that sound good in a instagram post.

Not for actual thinks they like and can’t live without.

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That’s how boycotts have always worked. Boycotts have only been successful when people already didn’t like the thing they were boycotting.

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ROFL…. So boycotts are only for people who lack the balls to stand up against the things they like?

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I looovvveee tollhouse cookies, crunch bars, KitKats and stouffer’s French bread pizzas but I still don’t buy them, even though they are like the only people to make a wide range of frozen dinners, and I am not even a little bit salty about it, definitely, not at all…

So yeah, some people do stick to their morals over creature comforts.

Even when it really sucks.

I did just remember Schwann’s is a thing though, so maybe nestle is good for something at least.

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Edit: Nvm I understand now!

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Valve allowing that dingus to sell a game while refusing to pay his victims families?

Sounds like a good reason to boycott to me.

But no one will.

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Valve allows a lot of games I’d question like the Kyle riddenhouse game or whatever that loser is that went across state borders to shoot people.

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Valve will allow anything if they can profit from it.

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War is profitable. So I hear.

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I mean… Half the games on steam are about war

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I mean, it’s just a game. The shitty part isn’t on Steam’s side; It’s on Alex hiding funds and refusing to pay for the lawsuits he lost.

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Not sure this is a valve problem. The courts are simply going to have to seize his assets.

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Valve is a soulless corporation that only cares about money. Why wouldn’t they?

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Yeah true

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I guarantee the kids will not boycott Steam. That’s a line drawn too far.

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“The kids”?

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Millenials and younger are all kids.

Nevermind that a not-insignificant portion are entering middle-age.

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Kid is objective and subjective.

It’s a paradox

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Elder millennials are now in their 40s.

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Anybody younger than me is a kid. One of the few remaining things I have to look forward to in life is calling the new residents of the retirement home ‘kiddos’ and ‘youngsters’.

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