A visitor from the U.S. got more than they asked for at a Toronto hotel restaurant when they ordered a cheeseburger on Monday night that was served with a waiver on the side.

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you want people to be able to sue over everything, this is the result.

id have signed, cuz i both enjoy meat and not suin’ people for nonsense i caused.

e: i have in the past ordered ‘as rare as you can legally make it’. most of the time i get stupid looks and they bring it rare, but sometimes they just nod and bring me a brick

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RTFA

they had already started eating when the server handed them a waiver.

Not to mention, the eater is dumb if they get a hamburger that’s less than well done. Ground beef has much more surface area for pathogens to creep into. So unless you watched them cut up and grind the meat, after watching them properly sterilize their equipment, order that burger well done.

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i absolutely read the article.

i read an article about a crybaby who ordered a burger rare, which everyone knows is outside the scope of safety fucking everywhere, and then whined when presented with having to take responsibility for the choice he was already eating.

or are we to believe this is his first experience ordering rare??

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And you ignored everything.

Unless proven otherwise, we should believe that this is the first time they received a waiver

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14 points

He ordered it medium, which is not that uncommon in the US.

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And?

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I suggest you do too.

The whiny guy ordered the burger to be medium done. He got it the way he wanted.

He is literally eating what he ordered, and was shocked when the restaurant tried to cover their ass for letting him order an undercooked burger.

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So the restaurant should have had the waiver signed by him BEFORE they made the burger. Not after he started eating.

Or maybe they shouldn’t have made the burger to order.

The company is the issue.

You just don’t care, though.

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you want people to be able to sue over everything, this is the result.

Two words : fusioned labias. That’s what the too hot coffee from Mc Donald caused to the victim who sued them.

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5 points

If you actually read about the hot coffee lawsuit you would know there is a lot more to it than just hot coffee.

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Like the fact they knew about it and settled for around 800000$ out of court with others victims ? Or the victim just asked for pay her medical bills and cover her daughter’s pay, as she left her job for be her mother carer ?

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Why has this been making some of the “news” recently?

Some corporation wanted to cover it’s ass in the same my my work cafeteria warns about raw eggs when they serve Tiramisu.

I had to sign a waiver to try some hot sauce that was 2.5M+ on the Scoville scale.

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None of these waivers hold up in court here in Canada, like, at all.

The hot sauce ones are generally just trying to make things feel “more extreme”, trying to add theatrics to the experience.

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It wouldn’t even hold up in this case: the waiver holds Hilton not liable when the guest eats food not prepared by the restaurant, when the guest is clearly eating food prepared by the restaurant.

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I was wondering about that! I thought I didn’t understand legalese.

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Did they let him cook it himself?

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The meat wasn’t ground by the restaurant, I would think that’s what they’re talking about.

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It probably does make some people restrain themselves from hurting themselves. It has a use.

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10 points

In Germany they sell ground beef that is save to eat raw. So either get save meat or, if your ground beef is not safe, bring this up directly when someone orders a medium or rare burger and not after the person already started eating.

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Also raw ground pork that it safe for raw consumption. I love me some thüringer mett.

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4 points

How the hell do they manage that? Freezing like sushi or irradiation like fruit?

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It’s fresh enough that bacterial contamination isn’t a concern and they don’t have the trichinella worm in country. All meat is carefully inspected as well.

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Right. If my only choice is well done, I’m getting something else. Don’t bring me a waiver after I’ve started eating it.

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Eww, we eat raw pork, not beef.

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Ohh so much better and different.

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Here in BC, anything but well done burgers are illegal in restaurants. We have steak tartar, but you need to cut the exterior layer of meat away and grind it right before serving. You might get away with doing the same for burgers, but no one does it that I know of.

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I’ve heard of a restaurant in North van that does it, I can’t recall its name though.

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At one point Vera’s burgers would because they sourced their own beef, but im not sure if that survived them expanding 10+years ago. They did start north shore so maybe it was Vera’s

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It absolutely was Vera’s that’s why I liked to go there. They used to have a sign that warned you you had to ask for well done.

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I worked at Outback Steakhouse (outside the US) and we were never allowed to serve burgers that weren’t well done. I’ve had to explain many times that it is due to the risk of illness from uncooked/processed meat and people still choose to be upset.

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I thought the science says a steak can safely be rare, but not hamburger? Still a weird thing to get upset about. Although I’ve been to dinner with people I thought were reasonable only for them to turn into fuckheads with waiters. I think some people just get really dickish when they are customers. Fuck em.

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Its any ground meat. Bacteria cant penetrate a steak to contaminate it, so as long as the outside is cooked enough its safe. When you grind up meat to expose all of the meat to outside conditions, plus any bacteria left on the grinders themselves, so it has to be fully cooked.

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Except there are raw ground meat dishes. Beef tartare is raw ground beef and the Mettbrötchen is raw ground pork. So it certainly can be consumed safely.

The USDA guidelines for food safety are extremely conservative when it comes to spoiling. On one hand it makes sense because we don’t want businesses to gamble with their customers health for higher profits. But it also means people are quick to dismiss them because so many of the guidelines are broken daily without incident.

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