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Cut two 1/6s

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My chaotic neutral undead warlock has the solution.

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In one slice, cut a third off of each apple, and you’re left with 3 portions of 2/3 an apple each

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What’s bothering me is, mathematically that is the answer, but practically the apple is a non uniform shape so you cant really determine where a third of the apple truly is and it has seeds in the middle meaning two of the kieces will have seeds one the one getting the two cut off pieces won’t so its not truly shared equally.

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“Equal” has a slightly different meaning in fair division problems. It doesn’t mean “the exact same quantity of matter”, so not being able to judge exactly 1/3 of the apple doesn’t super matter (though your seed problem can be solved by cutting diagonally through the apples rather than along one side), but rather, that each person gets a portion they value at least as much as the others; maybe some people are willing to take a smaller piece if it means they have no seeds, maybe some people are going to peel their piece so they care more about having the largest internal volume, maybe some people plan to plant the seeds and so they actually value them, maybe some people only care about having the biggest piece.

In practice, for three people this can take as few as 2 cuts or as many as 6; since there’s two apples and we can do 2 cuts with one stroke here, there is a fair division solution, but it only works if things go perfectly:

The first person cuts the apples into 3 shares they think are of equal value (perhaps they hate apple cores, so they cut one side off both as above)

The second person points out which share(s) they think are the best

The third person takes the share they consider to be most valuable

The second person takes the share they consider to be most valuable

The first person takes the remaining share, which, since they cut, they must consider equal to the other two.

If the second person doesn’t think at least two shares are of equal value, the problem becomes impossible to resolve without more knifeplay.

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I think that one person can decide where to cut the first apple and another person can independently decide where to cut the second apple, so the problem is actually a little easier. I posted my attempt at a solution as the top-level post. (My solution does assume that all three people have the same preferences.)

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If anyone is interested, there’s this video by Up and Atom that neatly shows the complexity.

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If you sliced vertically (still considering thirds) you would get more fair distribution of fruit-meat vs seeds

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I’m sure with some calibrating you could just cut off 1/3 of the edible portion. While the core-containing portions would be heavier, the edible apple weight would be the same. It wouldn’t be easy to do first try though

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What bothers me is how dangerous that procedure would be

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3 points

Cut the leaf off with the one slice then each person just eats a third of each apple with their teeth.

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Yeah. It’s a bad question. Why only one stroke? If you cut the apples into cubes and doled them out equally it’d be a much better and more equal experience. The problem presented is a lie, it’s just a geometry puzzle.

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How do you do that in one slice?

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Line the apples up next to each other, I guess. Sort of like taking a single slice through multiple carrots on the cutting board at once. Harder to do with apples given their shape, but I’d the knife is big enough, or you’re counting a slice as “single continuous motion” then it is probably valid.

I can’t think of any other physical solution that isn’t a joke, so this is the most probable puzzle solution. In a D&D setting I might require a slight of hand check with a very low DC to pull off the single slicing motion.

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6 points

You line up the apple and cut both at the same time

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24 points

Aim for the jugular

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Cut 2/3 of both apples leaving 2x2/3 segments and 2x 1/segments (2/3 cut in half for those of you who struggle with fractions)

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I’m american, we would forget fraction entirety if we ever switched to the metric system.

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4 points

gow can you cut a third of each apple in one slice

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14 points

Line them up so only 33% of each apple gets cut when you slice.

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Stack the apples on top of each other and cut from the top down.

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39 points

Or cut both of them in half and throw out half an apple.

Didn’t say all of the apple.

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Flat skull Winnie the Pooh.tiff

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  1. The first person decides where the first apple would be cut, such that he would be equally happy with either taking the larger portion or dividing up what remains.

  2. The second person either says he wants that larger portion, in which case he’s done, or he says he wants to divide up what remains, in which case the first person takes the larger portion and is done.

  3. The third person decides where the second apple would be cut.

  4. Either the first or second person (depending on the outcome of the second step) picks either the larger portion of the second apple or the two smaller portions.

  5. The third person takes what remains.

  6. The two apples are cut and their pieces distributed.

This doesn’t guarantee a solution, since it’s possible that the third person would have wanted the larger portion of the first apple. It only works if we assume that the first person, when given the motivation to cut fairly, does so with high precision. Otherwise the first person can, by screwing himself over, also screw over the third person.

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Neat, but you failed since it requires more than one slice

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No, you line the apples up under the knife and then slice once. Each apple can be moved relative to the knife and independently of the other apple.

I should have been more specific when I said things like

takes the larger portion

because what I meant by that is “permanently claims the larger portion as his own”. The apple is not cut (once) and no one actually gets their pieces in their hands until step 6.

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41 points

What my group will do

Kill one person, yeah we are so dumb :D

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With one stroke? Does your group only consist of level 1 wizards or is it some kind of legendary knife?

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The monk beats both other PCs unconscious and then uses the knife to cut off as much apple as they care to eat.

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That’s a classic critic against D&D if one stroke of knife is deadly IRL it should be in RPG.

That said, 3 players means a GM so just cut in half and you get 4 piece including one for the GM

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You tie the unlucky member to sacrifice. Maybe one with low fortitude. And use coup de grace. Probably it will die One shot with one stroke. Technically it’s doable ^^

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