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That you can just go to a bootcamp, and be good at or naturally suited for it.

That you can go to college and get a degree, and be good at or naturally suited for it.

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Eh, I’m naturally good at it. I got shoved into the programming UIL group in school with absolutely no background in programming and tied for 3rd place.

But, I really don’t enjoy doing it.

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Why are you in programming related communities if you don’t enjoy it?

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I browse by all

Plus, I have to do light coding for my job (script writing)

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Exact same thing happened to me. Group project needed a programmer, I was a gamer with a nice computer so I volunteered. 15 years later and I’m a software engineer at a huge company.

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Well that’s true for every field.

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But programming is definitely more open to the idea of people just showing up and claiming to know stuff. You wouldn’t trust Steve to build a bridge just because he watched a bunch of engineering videos on YouTube.

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That coding interviews are even by the tiniest measure good indicators of how capable a candidate is for a software engineering job.

I saw a great thread on Mastodon about this: link

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Everyone can code.

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Anyone can, but not everyone needs to

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Not everyone should

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And not everyone should.

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I didn’t want to say that because it sounds mean, but yes, pretty much

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Thar just because you solved a particular problem in 10min, all other problems are going to take 10min too.

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Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1425

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What’s funny about this comic now is the second one has become very attainable in the years since it was released. The concept still applies though. Some things are a lot harder than they seem on the surface.

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Somebody spent the money on a research team and five years is why it is very attainable now.

Someone trying to write the code from scratch would still take a research team and years to replicate it from scratch.

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And here I was thinking of https://xkcd.com/664/

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That programming as a career means you’re going to spend writing nice, clean code 80% of the time.

It’s rather debugging code or tooling problems 50% of the time, talking to other people (whether necessary or not) about 35% of the time and the rest may be spent on actually spending time doing the thing you actually enjoy.

I may be exaggerating, but only a little.

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I really don’t mind any of it though.

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Different strokes for folks I guess 🤷‍♂️

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In my experience, you’re rather inaggerating. I’m not even 10y into my career and if I get to actually code for 2h a day, that’s already a success. Most of my time nowadays is documentation, meetings, jira, research and calls with the clients.

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I think it heavily depends on the size and (management) culture of your employer. My most recent gig had me sit in way too many meetings that were way too long (1hr daily anyone?), dealing with a lot of tooling issues and touching legacy code as little as possible while still adding new features to our main product on a daily basis. Obviously “we don’t need a clean solution. We’re going to replace that codebase anyways, next year™”.

The job before that had me actually code for about 80% of the time, but writing tests is annoying and slows you down and we don’t have time for that. Odd how there was always time for fixing the regressions later.

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I think it’s also a question of how you position yourself. Without noticing it, I’ve developed a kind of “will to power” in the sense that I want to shape the product we’re working on. So instead of just sitting in my corner and working on ticket after ticket, I’m actively seeking conversations with stakeholders to find out, whether it even makes sense to implement it as described in the ticket, or propose new ideas, etc.

Also, my mother taught me (by virtue of being completely untechnical) how to explain complex problems and systems in a way that non-technical people understand. So if “a developer” was needed, management often enough volunteered me.

I could pull myself mostly out of this stuff, but I’d get even more frustrated not being able to at least try to make things a bit better. So I’m putting on the headset once more.

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also microservices in my experience worsen this sort of bitrot where the amount of usual duplication it involves means that even if you manage not to have poorly documented spaghetti magic that gets updated once in an eon in one service or two it still might be elsewhere and this

  1. discourages refactoring due to the duplication
  2. harms consistency
  3. encourages lousiness because your stuff might mostly work on a surface level with the rest of your system because you only expose APIs and don’t need to worry that much about how your methods will be called. Which might seem convenient to use and implement in an ideal scenario, but could easily become troublesome to debug if anything goes wrong.
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