Most of the discussion and sources of content talk about movies and series.
I’ve been recently looking for psy and techno music, finding FLAC or WAV with active seeders feels like striking gold. It’s definitely been a while since I’ve looked for active torrent sites and it feels more barren than ever.
Edit: Thank you all for all that valuable information. The reddit group really wasn’t this helpful and valued making fun over adding real use able knowledge.
Dying is an overstatement, I’m sure the scene is there.
But it’s not as popular as most people are generally able to easily access all the music they want legally for reasonable prices.
For me it’s pretty much dead. Since I’ve got YT music subscription I don’t download music anymore, except some rare, obscure bands from past. Because modern, rare obscure I can support via Bandcamp and the likes. For real gold mine of music checkout soulseek. If it’s not there, you can assume it doesn’t exists
Yep. I’m paying like $11 a month and I can play nearly any song I want at anytime from anywhere I am. I haven’t pirated music in years. On a side note, I would happily pay some reasonable dollar amount to do the same with TV and movies and never pirate anything again!
Yep, if we could go back to having 1-2 streaming services that charged a reasonable fee, I feel like TV and movie piracy significantly drop. It was so nice being able to just, like, fucking watch a movie and not have to check which of the eleventy-billion streaming services it’s on.
That’s what I can’t wrap my head around. If it’s possible with music and work well for all parties, then why not to do the same with movies. All I read are some bullshit non answers about different laws applied to music and movies. Even if it is so, same companies who lobbied for those laws should now lobby to change them again, problem solved. Instead they wade further in this sunken cost fallacy
Music piracy is doing just fine, it’s just that the balance of opinion seems to be that M4A is fine. You can even download M4A files from YouTube nowadays.
The soulseek network is still alive and well.
Can’t. I’m addicted to the algorithms. Music discovery guided by AI is too much fun. If I was only using streaming services to listen to music I already know or the new albums from artists I already like them I’d be with you, but now I’m hooked on finding new stuff.
Funkwhale is federated. I have discovered lots of good stuff on there via other servers. Not algorithmic, but once you find a server that appeals to you, there’s a lot to dig into.
“Guided by AI” I think you mean algorithms programmed according to strict music licensing contracts from the labels that say a service needs to suggest label-preferred “complimentary” artists over actual similar music that you would like based on a collection of characteristics in a given song/band’s sound signature.
You’re not wrong and I’m happy that piracy communities exist in spaces where access is easily cheap and accessible if only for the days that those industries get greedier. But for now, I’m happy to pay when it’s affordable and easy to access.
I half agree with what Gabe Newell said in regards to piracy being a service issue and not about price. I think it largely is a service issue. Access is the greater problem. Price is secondary as long as it’s somewhat reasonable. I don’t pirate video games because I can get them reasonably, but he is a smidge wrong insofar as I don’t buy the outrageously expensive games. Steam’s major success is having good sales that keep me away from pirating because the possibility of games I want going on discount at some point is realistic. It’s telling that the only time I did dabble in video game piracy was to relive my childhood memories of Nazi Zombies from the Call of Duty video games. I dabbled in it then because Activision is selling their decades old games for outrageous prices considering their age and their “sales” are weak considering the already overinflated price. I refuse to pay for that. And so I sailed the high seas.
The music industry is still affordable and accessible, so I don’t feel that pressure at all. Back when Limewire was around the pressure was there partially because I was a kid and didn’t have much money and hunting down CDs I wanted for the obscure music I liked was challenging. It was mostly an accessibility issue that Spotify fixed. If their prices move beyond my means then that relationship will no longer benefit me and the sails will raise once more.
If you close your eyes, you can metaphorically hear the tides changing on the music streaming industry. The fall of Netflix is such a stark reminder of how fast these convenient services can morph into user hostile experiences.
Plus, there is the added philosophical discussion about what it means to allow a centralized corporate media conglomerate to curate your music for you. I’d imagine that their insentivisation structure over what should be heard is different than yours.
For serious though, I hypothesize that your library/playlist data (xml, maybe? somewhere? I’m just starting the journey of offloading.) is more valuable to users than the music itself. Next step is figuring out how to export Spotify’s data.
Oh wow! I’ve exclusively streamed for a number of years now, but used to be pretty active on Soulseek (+10 years ago). Totally forgot the name until you mentioned it. Glad to hear it’s still up and running fine.
The thing about it is that Spotify premium to me isn’t that expensive and has everything I need
Before Netflix started sucking there was even a brief moment in time when people thought movie piracy was dying.
Then the industry went ahead and shot itself in the foot by trying to compete by making the competition worse (pushing for exclusive content) rather than themselves better (developing a more appealing product).
Spotify has basically nothing I’ve ever tried to actively listen to. It’s also missing tracks of larger artists. It’s also still subject to licensing which means what you have saved isn’t guaranteed to be there forever (unless you’re using a spotify downloader, I guess. I don’t know why you would if you feel comfortable enough paying for it but not enough that you won’t still download them?). Personally, to me it seems crazy to pay $10 a month for music I’m probably going to listen to for each month for the rest of my life? People always say it’s great for discovery but I don’t see how it’s any better than any other avenue of finding new artists and releases. The convenience of an online app isn’t very convenient for me, it being streamed is something that affects me on road trips and I’d need to have the foresight to download something, vs permanently having the songs on my phone (or a step further, microSD cards filled with music.) Like it was before? Just like Google Photos, if I can host my own photo backup on my computer why am I paying someone else an exorbitant fee? I can take this even further, I have Plex setup (and other music servers) and use Plexamp which is essentially my curated Spotify. Bonus: I have my core music on my phone, I have extra music streaming to me.
It also doesn’t seem to be sustainable, each yeah Spotify operates at a loss while artists get very little payout from it. More than if you pirated from them, sure, but much less than if you just buy the album directly from their options be it physical or digital, or buy just one concert ticket and one merch item.
All this said, as with most things these are subjective case by case freedoms. Many get what they need from it and that’s good enough and they’re happy. Others just like to rip it all themselves and setup bubbleuPnP servers, and some probably are still just only playing CD’s through their car that doesn’t have AUX or bluetooth. If your decision to listen to an artist with the intent to give them your money, you probably should buy things from them instead of listening to them exclusively on Spotify you pay for. If your decision to listen to music is to just hear stuff, discovery, and it has even just 60% of a catalog of songs you’d listen to, the convenience is probably worth paying for. Especially given that technically the alternatives I’ve mentioned have an upfront cost of a computer and hard drives - for what it’s worth only the cost of 2 years of Spotify and ~2 to 4 hours of setup time, but still a larger cost nonetheless.
That’s worth it for some, they just prefer having it all physical/digitally stored and accessible for sampling and playback, the discovery and library probably aren’t as deep as what they’re looking for.
while artists get very little payout from it
This! I’ve seen people claim they like Spotify because it’s legal and you support the artist that way, but the actual money they get from each song-listening is comically miniscule compared to the profit from the traditional mediums (vinyl/CD).
