253 points

I mean, this is how far our standard of living has fallen in the US.

Like, back in the 80’s and 90’s it was pretty normal for a family to subsist on a single income, in a reasonably nice house, with all of their necessities taken care of. It was so normal that even a brainless loser like Homer could do it.

Also because back then, kinda fat = automatic loser

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58 points

Frank Grimes pointed out the insanity/luck of his living situation and your last part is true today “bumbling oaf” is still an archetype

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37 points

Ah, good ol’ Grimey (as he liked to be called).

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33 points

To be fair a nuclear operator can typically afford to support a family of 5 even today.

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This. The show routinely makes fun of the fact that Homer is completely unqualified for his job and seems to keep it because he amuses Burns. They had a whole episode recently about how Homer got a new job over a nuclear engineering PhD because he Cyrano’d the interview via Fink. Meaning his job title likely commands well over $200k, though it is implied that Burns pays him somewhat less than that.

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27 points

The show quit caring about money because it’s not interesting. The early seasons have money as a constant issue. It’s just not that interesting to she them constantly needing money, so they just stopped.

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10 points

Except that idea was completely undone by Malcolm in the Middle… The Simpsons just didn’t do it right.

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8 points

Simpsons did it just fine for years, Malcolm was only 7 seasons, Simpsons is on season 35.

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25 points

That said, suburbia was built on borrowed money from the future , and the reason why most cities are broke.

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It has nothing to do with suburbia.

It has everything to do with the politics of Thatcher and Reagan. Their policies of annihilating unions, human rights and creating tax cuts for the rich by passing on the taxes to the working and the poor created this dystopian reality we now have.

If we cut out the rich and restore what we used to have for rights and protections, we can try to save ourselves from extinction.

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35 points

The two are related. Oil money supports both the suburban Ponzi scheme and also Reaganite deregulation.

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My point is, for a city, every square foot of street has an operational cost, and on top of that infrastructure needs to be rebuilt every x years (I think around 20 ~ 25).
While the upfront cost of said infrastructure tends to come from subventions when building a new development, the city needs to cover the costs for both operations and rebuilding once it’s needed.

Why does this matter? Well, detached single-family houses provide lower revenue per square foot of street than middle housing or mid-rises, eventually creating a hole in the city’s pockets.

I’m not explaining it very well, but I’ll suggest taking a look at this:
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/6/21/whats-the-sweet-spot-for-building-housing-inexpensively
Climate Town - The suburbs are bleeding America Dry

If cities had money, they could build public housing or promote affordable options.

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The suburbs are just another part of tax cuts for the rich. They’re subsidized by the tax money from more dense parts of the city, which tend to be more poor (and usually filled with ethnicities other than white people - hence the term White Flight).

Singke family homes with big grassy lawns and McDonald’s parking lots bring in less tax revenue and cost more money in city services per square foot of land than apartment buildings, being a net drain on the budget. So, there are higher taxes on the poor so that the wealthy suburbanites don’t have to see them.

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2 points

I’m more convinced the human race is gonna die off the way futurama predicted it. The one named “I Dated a Robot”

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21 points

Like, back in the 80’s and 90’s it was pretty normal for a family to subsist on a single income, in a reasonably nice house, with all of their necessities taken care of.

I wonder what “pretty normal” is, according to actual numbers

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28 points

I remember growing up in the 90’s, my classmates and I all thought that one of the other kids was a liar because he said he didn’t have a yard (he lived in an apartment). It didn’t make sense - everyone else in the class of 30+ kids lived in a house with a yard, so he must just be making stuff up. Obviously that’s anecdotal evidence, but still. It was weird for a kid not to live in a single-family home back then.

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You’d have to look at the size of the middle class back then, as that’s what the “American Dream” scenario is based on there, but as a kid born in 1990, I can say that when my dad was looking for apartments when he was around college age in the 60s, the rule was not to rent an apartment that cost more than 25% of your salary. By the time I was around that same age in the late 2000s/early 2010s, it was 50% of your salary. Now, it’s closer to 120% of your salary for those same apartments.

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3 points

back in the '80s* and '90s*

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4 points

No, I meant 80-99 AD

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1 point

Many style manuals allow referring to decades with apostrophes before the s, and no apostrophes before the abbreviated year

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1 point

Could you provide some example style manuals that say that?

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1 point

It wasn’t normal

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15 points

Up until Reaganomics hit, ‘Middle Class’ was defined as one Union job supporting a family of four. In 1980, $1 million was still considered a vast fortune. By the time Bush Sr. left office, middle class was two jobs to keep the house going, and $1 million was what a rich guy paid for a party.

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I was an adult in the mid 80’s. I was there

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204 points

He’s not? There’s literally an episode about how Homer is so lucky in life that he drives a man insane.

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56 points

And the man’s estranged bastard son!

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22 points

He happened to like hookers.

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50 points

In fairness, that entire episode was lampshade hanging

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23 points

What is lampshade hanging?

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Lampshade Hanging (or, more informally, “Lampshading”) is the writers’ trick of dealing with any element of the story that seems too dubious to take at face value, whether a very implausible plot development or a particularly blatant use of a trope, by calling attention to it and simply moving on.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging

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22 points

Calling themselves out on how ridiculous the situation is, basically.

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I also never heard it before, probably should have, here’s the first part of the definition from TV tropes:

“Lampshade Hanging (or, more informally, “Lampshading”) is the writers’ trick of dealing with any element of the story that seems too dubious to take at face value, whether a very implausible plot development or a particularly blatant use of a trope, by calling attention to it and simply moving on.”

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8 points

He’s like Candid but doesn’t make you want to gauge your eyes out just to avoid reading the book, but it’s due in you philosophy class and you can’t afford to fail.

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1 point

What’s the issue with reading Candid?

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2 points

It’s not a long book but it is for me very frustrating to read.

It’s about an optimist who keeps dismissing the shitty things happening to/around because it’ll all work out.

I just did not enjoy reading it at all.

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7 points

Yeah, I don’t think he’s portrayed as a loser, just as dumb. You don’t need to be smart to be successful in this world.

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90 points

Uhhhh… Homer has three kids, surely?

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49 points

Why can’t I have no kids and three money??

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32 points
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According to the available tax information he has nine kids, one of which is a Vietnam veteran.

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21 points

C’mon, Marge, the dog doesn’t count as a kid.

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14 points

Uhhhh… Homer has three kids, surely?

Only two of them, along with his wife, love him.

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5 points

Maggie hates his guts.

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78 points

Wait, 2 kids? Which one died?

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53 points

Three! We have THREE kids Homer.

Three noisy kids. Fish heads, fish heads.

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13 points

Dohhh, I have three kids and no money. Why can’t I have no kids and three money?!

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30 points

Marge had a seventh trimester abortion this season.

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25 points

To be fair, Maggie has been a baby for years. There was probably something wrong

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7 points

Years? DECADES.

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One’s doing time for shooting someone.

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3 points

He was acquitted. Turns out the guy was just buried under a bunch of old newspapers. Luckily he was able to free himself using a vacuum cleaner and a baking soda rocket.

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73 points

My dudes… He has three kids.

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35 points

Poor sod wishes he had three moneys instead

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7 points

The dog doesn’t count as a kid!

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5 points

one is a baby so barely counts

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