Not to defend a Clinton, but she makes some good points if you actually read the article
Thank you. Not the biggest fan of the Clintons, but she said the same thing everyone on here says every day. Sucky choice, but one guy is an outright crook, so just vote.
This is an appearance on a comedy show to promote her new show, not a formal press conference anyway.
I was going to stay out of this one, but I’m getting tired of Lemmy politics being even worse than Reddit.
I’ll take this in good faith, so let’s rationally look at the situation.
Option 1: Biden - havent heard one person yet say Joe is perfect the way they do for Option 2. If you were to honestly look at what he’s done or is attempting to get done, there’s gotta be a few things you’d aprrove of on the list. Here’s a quick list from Politico, which is mostly non-biased and credible.
Option 2: Trump - the other frontrunner. If you think anyone other than Biden or Trump has a chance of winning the popular or EC vote, more power to you. While we definetly have some significant issues with Biden, an attempted coup, at least 1 attempted rape, abusing the office of President for profit, idolizing dictators and saying it would be fun to be one, and overturning womens’ right to choose to have children only fall on the list for 1 of the 2 candidates.
Option 3: Third Party - there is something to say for voting your principles. Some would also say there is something foolish is throwing away a well telegraphed opportunity to avoid disaster. Even if you hate both candidates, I’m sad to say barring unforeseen circumstances (and to be fair, we do have people publicly advocating taking out political enemies…) you’re likely going to end up with one of the 2 of them. If you have a key issue to you, such as the Gaza conflict, you are taking a much greater gamble on what the outcome will be. Yes, Biden is protecting one of our country’s alliances at the cost of human life. Again, I haven’t seen anyone not a nationalist agrue that. Do you feel Trump will help Gaza? Unless he’s got immediate family there or a way to profit off it, I’m going to say no.
Option 4: Don’t vote - Can’t think of any pros to this choice. You’re still getting Biden or Trump and you haven’t even done the bare minimum to accomplish anything. Neither party is hurt by your inaction.
If I’m missing any other options, please fill me in. Other than voting in primaries, there aren’t any times I can think of where I was very enthused to vote for anyone, because they’re people, not gods. They’re all flawed. They’re all going to make bad choices and do things that I dont like. Again, can you name me one president out of all of them that didnt do some really bad stuff?
You can bemoan the Electoral College or the First Past the Post system, or whatever you want, but that is the system we are in and what choices we actually have. That’s what makes so many of these posts and comments bad. Point me to anywhere on Lemmy, Reddit, or anywhere where someone has a better plan that can win this November.
So far the best we have, no matter how you want to phrase it, amounts to “get over yourself, and just vote.”
Hey, I upvoted you. You just got here first and got the first wave of the damage.
Most people just seem to be here to vent, and we got in the way of a lot of that.
As I said, I don’t blame them for being mad, just that this particular comment wasn’t the best direction for their frustration.
I’m grateful you made your post though.
Na. It still basically amounts to “get over yourself, our guy good the other guy bad”. It completely ignores legitimate grievances of the Biden administration.
Na. It still basically amounts to “get over yourself, our guy good the other guy bad”.
Yeah, we’re being expected to accept second worst as good.
It completely ignores legitimate grievances of the Biden administration.
Completely ignoring legitimate grievances is kinda the party’s whole thing.
Deciding to vote against Biden (or not vote for him) because you have legitimate grievances against him is completely ignoring Trump.
Yeah, I guess the Democratic Party should have considered that before they gave so many people reasons to have legitimate grievances against Biden
Sounds good Mrs. Clinton, I’ll be voting third party then
I encourage you to vote for whomever you want representing you, but I also cannot stress enough that saying your mind is set is perhaps short sighted. This is something you should be evaluating right up to election day.
You can’t expect a sitting President to not re-run for office. Of course Biden is going to run.
In Trump’s mind, and in the minds of a lot of his supporters, he is the “rightful” sitting President, so of course he’s going to run too.
Are they the BEST choices? Of course not. But they are THE choices.
Because nobody tells someone at that power level what to do.
They can choose, on their own, not to run like Johnson did in 1968. But no outside influence can or should tell a President they can’t run.
If you think no one tells Joe Biden what he should be doing on the daily you might be more demented than he is.
I thought the whole point of having a democracy was people got to choose their leaders.
If you’re saying leaders become too powerful to reject, that’s troubling.
Huh? You find it unreasonable that someone sitting in the most powerful elected position on the planet, with the opportunity to extend that seat, would choose to run again???
You can expect it if you want to. You can expect whatever you want. It’s just your expectations won’t mirror reality.
And you know what should happen? There should be actual primaries. But they’re not even pretending at this point.
You don’t have real primaries for a sitting President. You just don’t. See any previous election ever. Trump 2020, Obama 2012, Bush 2004, etc. etc. etc.
They lead the party for a reason.
On the Republican side this year, they TRIED to primary Trump and, well, you see how well that worked out.
She’s right, but she still needs to fuck off permanently. She’s not helping.
I mean, she’s right and wrong at the same time.
People shouldn’t have to get over it, but Democrats don’t give a shit what voters want. They are using Trump as the big bad monster to force the candidates that they want, not the ones that the people want or deserve.
Biden would likely lose against any other candidate, the only reason he might win is because Trump is so terrible. They’re exploiting their voters to get what they want.
Well, voters are not completely blameless. Democrats need to get their act together and build a compelling, non geriatric candidate who moves at least a bit further left of contemporary democrats. I understand it’s massively challenging to run a presidential candidate that is “too progressive”, but there’s room to move, and voters crave it.
The problem is they aren’t demonstrating it enough.
Magats are rabidly gobbling up every low and unheard of post, elected or not, frequently and loudly demonstrating their wishes. These are data points planners use to shape larger candidates.
Tldr: wake the fuck up democrats.
What I read here is ‘go fuck yourself, this is our government and we will appoint whoever we want and you will like it.’
She just needs to STFU
