It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.

Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.

Curious to see at which number we’ll stabilize.

Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)

Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list

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Tankies and American democrats are scaring away the hoes. Source: I’m a hoe that has barely been coming here lately. There’s not enough people here for niche communities to thrive, and the front page has been getting worse and worse. Today I saw this post on the front page, pretty close to the top.

https://lemmy.ca/post/3725038

I’d like to be clear that I don’t care who americans voted for 7 years ago, but that’s not why I don’t think I should be seeing this. It’s just, sheesh man. THIS is what the community wants and thinks is important in 2023? I’m trying to find a niche amongst THIS?

It’s very similar to my problem with Gemini and every other “alt tech” platform I’ve tried to join. Worst case scenario it becomes a sewer for everyone who got banned from other sites for political extremism. Best case scenario, you end up with nothing but the demographic of upper class americans who do nothing but sit on their computers all day, which is not my scene either.

I’m starting to wonder if I should just leave the internet altogether.

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Yeah the amount of American bullshit that infests all social media is fucking cancerous.

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It’s so silly. People around the world explain their culture and don’t assume everyone knows about it, give their location appropriately, and do not believe they are the center of the world. It’s like:

Random question posted: Why is eating octopus more and more popular?

Random user: In my region, we really don’t eat much octopus. I am from Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. We eat red meat much more. But I guess octopus is growing in popularity worldwide due to [expanation].

Another random user: Where? Here in Portugal it has always been “popular”.

Average American user: Midwestern here. I don’t see octopus much and I don’t like it. Call me stereotypical, but I love my meat and T-Ravs. Anyway, I believe the popularity is due to Biden’s administration. [Details about Biden’s changes]. …So that all America has seen this rise, especially on the East Coast."

🤷🏻‍♀️ …Why?

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It’s true, the front page, as it stands, is awful. I have to filter out so many trump/elon crap and (for nsfw accounts) so many sexual fetishes I didn’t even know it existed. “Active” and “Hot” are infested with (sorry guys) low effort memes, and I have to click for “top 6 hours” or “top 12 hours” for something that starts looking interesting. Yes, I know the big R and other social media have the same problem, but that’s not the point.

Now, this is where the content “sorting algorithm” becomes a thing to “boost engagement”… but sure we can do better?

Personally, I would like to see more active posts from small communities or instances over most populous ones. Self-posts, even better. What if there was a user preference for frontpage sorting?

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I’m surprised so many people browse All, I only look at Subscribed

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I switch between subscribed and all sometimes. Finding new communities is nice.

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I’m currently doing it mainly because I haven’t worked out what I want to subscribe to yet.

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This is what I mean. It’s not healthy to be surrounded by so much hate all the time.

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This is a problem on a ton of different sites, not just Lemmy. And the ones that are not like this tend to be echo chambers for alt-right racist and anti-LGBT bullshit. It’s impossible to have a civilized discussion these days.

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Sorry you had a bad experience.

I am myself trying to get out of the tech/politics/memes bubble with communities like !chat@beehaw.org , !casualconversation@lemmy.world , !moviesandtv@lemmy.film , !personalfinance@lemmy.ml , etc.

I’m afraid at some point a lot of people like you will just leave and we’ll be left with Linux memes (and I use that OS)

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Thanks for the community recommendations, they seem like great points to explore from. I also love Linux and tech in general, otherwise I probably wouldn’t be here. But I have other interests too. That’s something I find to be decent about tildes surprisingly, considering you need to be a massive tech nerd just to access one.

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You are welcome!

There is also !trendingcommunities@feddit.nl that has a daily report of rising communities

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Regardless of platform, if you don’t want to see politics then block the political communities from your feed. The article itself is pretty factual and I don’t see why any real conservative would support the clown show that is the GOP right now.

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I’ve been getting around this by being really free with the community block button. But I’ve also had decent luck finding alts of the communities I used to use on reddit

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This is what copium looks like in its final form.

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Meh

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These kinds of comments are why my usage has gone down. There is an inclusive we are different vibe and this mentality that people just shouldn’t have an opinion if it doesn’t fit the Lemmy opinion. It’s just weird.

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Exactly. It’s enough active users to have a stream of good content compared to what it was a few month ago. I’m enjoying my time here right now.

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When you’re talking about an Internet forum, yes, more people makes things better.

The magic of reddit is being able to find a community for the most obscure niche interest ever. You can’t do that with just a few thousand tech-savvy nerds like us here.

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More people does not make a community better. Better people make a community better.

Every community is going to attract good and bad people. With more people there’s going to be more good people AND more bad people.

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The cope is strong. Let’s not pretend fewer active users is a good thing. It just means people are unhappy and are leaving.

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But just remember: Some of those people that are not staying are the types of people you wouldn’t want to interact with anyway. If the roughly 10k people who quit were Nazis (for example), it’s a good thing.

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But they obviously aren’t all Nazis

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Hmm… I think we need to conduct some exit interviews to gather data before we start making any assumptions.

“Hello, you have selected ‘Delete Account’ is this because you are a Nazi?”

Y/N (circle one)

“You have selected ‘no’ and yet you still wish to delete your account? Why are you lying about not being a Nazi then?”

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Exploding heads is literally shutting down. So he may have a point.

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Yeah, I tend to think that most of the people who left wouldn’t be valuable members of the community anyway. Maybe they’re too impatient to deal with software that isn’t fully mature, maybe they can’t deal with the fact that most Lemmy instances are somewhere between leftish and outright communism, or maybe the somewhat chaotic nature of the fediverse turns them off. Whatever. I hope they find something that suits them.

I also hope, for their own sake, that the “something” doesn’t involve going back to reddit.

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Yup if I hadn’t blocked several communities from appearing constantly in my feed, I would leave too.

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If the stats are accurate then this is not necessarily due to people being unhappy and leaving as both comments and posts are still stable - indicating that the lower active count are lurkers, duplicates or otherwise non engaging accounts.

https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats

That said, you can come up with statistics to prove anything! Forfty percent of all people know that.

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duplicates or otherwise non engaging accounts.

Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if duplicate accounts are a part of this but that seems like it would be a natural part of growing pains for lemmy. The way the fediverse is built would suggest that people who are serious about long-term participation may bounce around a bit. For example, I joined in June but in that time I still managed to test out two other instances before settling on a third that seemed to strike the ideal balance between admin policies and reliable uptime to suit my needs.

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Good point!

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Right. Everything negative about Lemmy is being turned into a positive for some reason. Truth is this is still a difficult concept for a lot of people to get on board with and the overall reliability of instances leaves much to be desired. All we need to do is continue to contribute and see what takes off.

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As I said in a comment below, I would like this to be a signal for interest groups to choose one of the dozens communities they have, stick to one and make it grow.

Looking at gaming or books, always seems detrimental to have the . world, .ml, .sh.itjust.works and so on with the same content posted everywhere.

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Almost like there should be one central hub… that’s what Reddit did right

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There doesn’t need to be one central hub, more like a few core communities

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Having android related communities be on one, specific instance has done wonders for the community imho

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Maybe it’s because the content here just isn’t as vast. I’m nkt going back to reddit for awhile, but there’s so little to see on lemmy to me. Despite numerous subscriptions, I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same. Sometimes this place feels like a hive-mind. Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale

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I see very few memes and far too much political content.

This is what is turning me off from lemmy, worst of it I see a lot of shitty political memes, it wasn’t this bad at the beginning of the reddit exodus.

And then there isn’t seem to be a neutral instance, I was in world and then they banned the piracy community, I moved to lemm.ee and all I see is stupid hexbear posts, I appreciate that they don’t defederate willy nilly but Lemmy urgently needs the block instance feature from user level.

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In the meantime there are some apps that “block” instances. Connect has it, but it doesn’t fully block the instance, more like it shows up in the feed with a content warning that the message is from a blocked instance and you can choose to view it if you want. I also do think lemm.ee will defederate from hexbear pretty soon. The admin has had personally horrendous experiences with their users and that meta thread about it was a dumpster fire of hexbear users making unrelated political comments and blocking the actual instance users from having a discussion. It got locked at almost 2000 comments so I’m sure he’s still digging through that toxic waste to make his decision.

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Every time I peek into reddit, it’s just a dumpster fire of toxic comments screaming at each other with strawman arguments and reeing that videos are fake. It’s exhausting.

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I see very few memes and far too much political content

Where are you even looking? My timeline is flooded with memes all the damn time. They’re practically drowning out any posts of value at this point.

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You should block the meme communities if you dislike it, keep the communities with contributions you like.

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I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same.

That’s funny because the meme subs still far outpace posting from politics subs for me, and I mostly see memes.

In fact, a few weeks ago, there were lots of complaints in meme comments of how the only thing they saw on the site was memes.

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Memes may be thriving but niche interest communities can’t even get off the ground.

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So just like reddit 14 years ago when I first left Digg for greener pastures. When I joined, it was years before my local city subreddit sprang to life, and for years, it had around 1000 active accounts and only now has over 10k accounts.

Man, if the people on reddit back in the day had sat around complaining about lack of content like this, the site would have died. Instead they started making fucking content.

It takes time for communities to grow, and it feels like a lot of the folks who left reddit only ever knew reddit as a ready-made-community filled with thousands of people already. As in, they were latecomers and missed all the slow growth.

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Maybe I need to be on ml then. I feel like world is just full of the same.

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I quite like beehaw and their communities, and yeah, you’re missing out on those if you’re on world, from what I understand. (Fairly sure they’re still defederated.)

I personally like lemmy.ml, but I know it’s not for everyone, and the admins would prefer to keep it a smaller instance, I think. I’m only here because there weren’t as many federated servers three years ago when I made an account.

You also might check out !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, they flood my feed with good memes.

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Try out Kbin, as well. Personally I have none of the usual Lemmy complaints

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Kbin is a nice alternative. Content cycles out of Hot a lot faster on here.

You also get microblogging support on here, so you have access to the Mastodon side of the fediverse as well without having to copy and paste links.

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Even the memes are pretty stale, definitely not dank. Many of these memes are reposts of stuff I saw years ago on Reddit.

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Political memes are so stale these days.

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Noted! Good feedback.

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I think the default activity sort is part of the problem. Sorting by activity means everyone is just looking at and engaging with the same topics for 24 hours or so. There needs to be some “hot” category or something so that new stuff gets churned through a bit more regularly. New is too new, top is even more stale, activity causes things with high activity to stay high. It makes for very samey content.

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Hot exists, doesn’t it?

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Have they finally fixed this to not show old posts out of nowhere in the “Hot” feed? I’ve been avoiding this sorting because of that and hadn’t read anything about it being corrected… yet.

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In my experience, Active and Hot have been opposite extremes of freshness. Active shows posts that are more than a day old, and Hot shows posts that have no comments and are just a couple of minutes old.

Not to say it’s all bad. Your post was just a couple of scrolls down on my feed.

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Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale

Been saying this for months. No one seems to understand what made reddit grow, and it is ironically very much like /r/place when you get down to it:

Reddit was a singular canvas that all users worked on together. Posts, comments, and voting shaped the site as a whole. The front page of Reddit was the result of it’s userbase, and it’s userbase was diverse. Because Reddit forced all users, of all backgrounds and ideologies, to exist together in the same space, and work on the same canvas, it created something living and varied.

You may not have ever gotten along with people from a certain subreddit in th comments, but I promise, the two of you worked together at one point to get a post to the front page or a comment to the top, and you didn’t even know it. Thos little moments where diametrically opposed people shared a liking of something by how they voted. On the surface, everyone bickered. Under the hood, they were all unknowingly agreeing and cooperating all the time, and that was what powered reddit’s engine: it’s diverse userbase’s activity.

That’s why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.

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That’s why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.

The phrasing here kinda implies this is a bad thing and everyone should be focused on 🚀 constant growth 🚀.

Tildes in particular has an extreme focus on quality over quantity and has some really interesting ideas on moderation (that haven’t been implemented due to lack of time on Deimos’ part). The site is still considered an alpha after all this time.

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