Who tf thought I’d ever want to edit a spreadsheet in a chat application anyway?
Or share only part of my screen. Very annoying since I only have a 5k2 ultrawide and a 4k in portrait. Regardless of which one I share, no one can read it. I have to switch the entire screen to some crappy low resolution so others can see what I’m doing.
Such a basic feature.
On KDE Plasma there’s an effect to zoom in the whole screen on your cursor (it may be windows-plus and windows-minus or you may need to set it yourself). I believe Windows has something similar as well as an accessibility feature. I should think that would work when screensharing.
all that different from Discord? – people trying to use a proprietary chatroom for everything from support to wiki to knowledge base to documentation …
If only that would be the worst. Someone over at M$ had the glorious idea to set up a different admin center for every fucking thing. Sometimes they interconnect, sometimes you can edit user in several admin centers, some things you can only edit in a particular one. You’re searching for specific settings over and over. And if that dumpster fire of bullshittery isn’t enough they randomly change the naming of everything or the position of menus without any apparent reason. So the knowledge you gained where certain settings goes to waste and you have to start all over again. Damn you Microsoft. If I’ll ever find out who’s responsible for that shit I’ll cut your head off and shit down your neck.
Edit: Just take a look at msportals.io to see how bad it has gotten. For my daily business I need several of M365 and Azure IT Admin portals. I hate it. I fucking hate it.
You forgot about the few random settings that can only be changed with powershell for some reason!
Honestly, I think that anyone who is this angry about Microsoft products needs to spend some time working with the types of industrial software that makes the manufacturing world go round. Just to get some perspective on what truly God awful software actually looks like.
don’t forget all the crapware foisted off on small businesses – point-of-sale systems designed for Windows XP and the company’s gone belly-up but you can’t switch because all of your data is locked in – manufacturing hardware with proprietary EISA cards and drivers for Windows 98 and there’s not enough installs to justify reverse engineering …
I’ve used fully functional chat applications, and I’ve used Microsoft Teams.
Teams is so bad it seems intentional
Everything is relative. Teams is a shining beacon of competency when compared to a lot of the utter shit software and firmware that I end up having to deal with.
I am so glad my new job had sense to say no. Their cost benefit analysis pretty much said the amount of pain, man hours, and bullshit it would cost to run far outweighed the higher price of the alternative product they went with.
My brother in Christ, IRC is a better tool.
Microsoft is failing to meet minimum standards of usability that has existed since the 80s
I’m talking software/firmware in general, not just chat clients/protocols. As I said, you seem to need some perspective.
Lol, this is such an absurd line of reasoning.
“This problem was solved in the 80s and then Microsoft bullied an inferior product into business space, and it impacts my work every single day”
And your response is “eat shit, some people have it worse?”
This isn’t the fucking pain Olympics and you don’t get a fucking medal for working on a worse stack.
This is a wildly toxic mindset and I promise your entire life will start to get better once you ditch it.
Edit:
Also, you seem to be missing a crucial element here. It’s not that, like in your situation, things were bad and are still equally bad.
This is the situation where things were good, and then made worse. Completely different trendline.
You mean usability like nick collision, channel takeovers, absence of services, no support for media or files, disagreements in the community that lead to multiple separated IRC networks, fully visible client IPs, the joke the ident protocol was?
I understand not liking teams, or webex, or zoom. But IRC in the 80s is hardly an shining beacon of usability or standards.
There are modern IRC clients like TheLounge and Convos that support media and video. And push messages. You can also have your own internal server not exposed to the internet, this eliminating the problems of takeover, splits and whatnot…
Also the protocol has evolved and there’s been integrated options in the servers to hide IPs for at the least a decade.
You may remember those issues and problems when you abandoned it, but it contniues to evolve and endure. I have a private server for my friends and it’s been the most stable and direct way to chat and share images for years.
Edit: I have not tested the video stuff in Convos. I use TheLounge and it’s perfectly capable of taking an mp4 to upload on the server and display it in the chat. I share images daily by uploading them from my IRC client and they are displayed in the chat… it’s not just text anymore!
Seriously. It’s not even the worst videoconferencing/chat tool, let alone all the other industries that thrive on barely usable software. Healthcare software, for example.
If all you’ve ever used is phone software that’s either made to as frictionless as possible to gather as much data from you as possible, then I can see hating Teams. If anything, Teams is a victim of its own success. Everyone hated the bloat in Outlook which now looks stripped down by comparison, because Teams is clearly the MS golden child and if you want your project to live at MS it needs to connect to Teams in some way.
My browser said it wasn’t installed when I tried to join a meeting. It was. 10/10
there’s plenty to hate on Ms for, but oddly, teams doesn’t trigger me.
I think the part about teams that bothers me the most is the broader o365, windows, onedrive, SharePoint etc “integration”. It’s so fucking bad.
I never know where anything is saving. Locally? On my one drive? In a temp folder that is findable and that file doesn’t even show up as a recent file? Or is it on some weird SharePoint backend that teams is using? Am I having an offline copy or did I just inadvertently save a copy to the shared drive?
It’s all just bad enough that it’s a horrendous overall user experience.
It feels like MS gets in the way more than it let’s me do my job. I didn’t always feel this way.
To top it off, the way people use it causes issues. Everyone does it differently. You could have people that use outlook for sending docs, people that use teams exclusively, people that use both, people that send share links in email, people that just tag you in some buried “team” you didn’t ever want to be a part of.
Then they’re like “did you see the thing I sent you?” …
Like fucking where?!? Where did you send it?! Let me go search for it–oh well search sucks, the activity feed is almost too verbose so meaningful things get buried too fast.
Bleh. The amount of productivity lost to MS software offsets almost any productivity gain we get from it. It’s a “wash” at best these days.
I haaaate Teams. Worst thing ever to happen to workplace productivity. And (unless this has been fixed since I retired) chat history isn’t persistent past 6 months so you lose your proof of what was discussed, unlike email.
unlike email.
Once worked a job in the financial sector, they enforced all Outlook clients to purge emails 3 months old AND disabled all of outlooks built-in archival tools…
Those bitches didn’t disable VBA though, so I built my own Outlook archival tool all in VBA complete with an sqlite DB and a UI. Ironically, it was more stable and less susceptible to corruption than outlooks own tools lolol
That policy sounds like destruction of evidence before it’s legally considered to be evidence.
Oh it for sure was, a year or 2 before I was hired they got hit with a regulation violation (not sure which anymore, I think it was Reg B) and then a few months after that this outlook policy conveniently came into effect to “minimize impact from a data breach” lmao
unlike email
Yeah, that’s unfortunately a thing, too. It’s the one size fits all solution to data protection and security. Made by people who like to make their own life easier, no matter the cost to everyone else. The GDPR does not allow us to store personal data indefinitely without reason, so let’s automatically delete every email without exception, no matter if it is still for an ongoing project or not.
The chat history is the big one for me. It’s not even that it’s not persistent; I’d be fine if it just purged all messages after a set period. The problem is that it seems to selectively purge some messages but keep others. Makes me feel like I’m crazy when I go back and try to find something that I know I sent a while ago, but there’s just a gap.
To me, this is its biggest flaw. You can’t scroll back in chats very far, but you can search for lines further back. However in a truly spectacular display of uselessness, the search only returns the chat bubble you searched for, with no surrounding context.
