I don’t think people realize how much corporate policies affect their Teams experience. A lot of complaints I hear are not things I see in my experience because our Teams isn’t strangled by corporate policies.
Wow, no, fuck no. Is there a corporate policy that makes this piece of shit intentionally buggy? For months I’ve had a blank white window on Mac that remains the whole time I use the app. Generally, not one feature of the app works without some kind of glitch or 5. Emojis are fucking broken half the time… Because that’s a complicated totally unsolved problem across the industry /s
What exactly are you using? It’s definitely not teams if you think it’s a passable app. I’ve said it’s alpha software because that’s absolutely what it’s always felt like to me. It’s gotten 10% better in the 3 years I’ve used it. One of the worst apps of all time.
Interesting take. I’ve been using teams for a few years now since that’s what most of my customers use. I can’t say I’ve experienced any bugs or any of the issues you’re sharing.
Only thing I can think of it’s related to Mac and their version of teams. The app for windows seems to work flawlessly.
I use it on Windows and I’ve encountered a few bugs, though haven’t experienced many of the stories seen in here. I’ve experienced notifications not coming through which is kinda essential for me tbh, have had the app crash every now and then, and regularly have a thing occur where I would put an emoji on anything and it would go away a second after causing me to do it again. The notifications not coming through is a big deal for me, the rest I can live with just fine.
Not who you’re responding to, but Teams works great in my office. I don’t love the UI, but it’s not buggy at all.
Maybe it’s a Mac thing?
I mean, they support Mac, but yeah the web version is horrible and even windows users in my office hate it.
Is corporate services what’s causing activity badges to constantly have wrong numbers on them within the app?
Honestly, I think that anyone who is this angry about Microsoft products needs to spend some time working with the types of industrial software that makes the manufacturing world go round. Just to get some perspective on what truly God awful software actually looks like.
My brother in Christ, IRC is a better tool.
Microsoft is failing to meet minimum standards of usability that has existed since the 80s
I’m talking software/firmware in general, not just chat clients/protocols. As I said, you seem to need some perspective.
Lol, this is such an absurd line of reasoning.
“This problem was solved in the 80s and then Microsoft bullied an inferior product into business space, and it impacts my work every single day”
And your response is “eat shit, some people have it worse?”
This isn’t the fucking pain Olympics and you don’t get a fucking medal for working on a worse stack.
This is a wildly toxic mindset and I promise your entire life will start to get better once you ditch it.
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Also, you seem to be missing a crucial element here. It’s not that, like in your situation, things were bad and are still equally bad.
This is the situation where things were good, and then made worse. Completely different trendline.
You mean usability like nick collision, channel takeovers, absence of services, no support for media or files, disagreements in the community that lead to multiple separated IRC networks, fully visible client IPs, the joke the ident protocol was?
I understand not liking teams, or webex, or zoom. But IRC in the 80s is hardly an shining beacon of usability or standards.
There are modern IRC clients like TheLounge and Convos that support media and video. And push messages. You can also have your own internal server not exposed to the internet, this eliminating the problems of takeover, splits and whatnot…
Also the protocol has evolved and there’s been integrated options in the servers to hide IPs for at the least a decade.
You may remember those issues and problems when you abandoned it, but it contniues to evolve and endure. I have a private server for my friends and it’s been the most stable and direct way to chat and share images for years.
Edit: I have not tested the video stuff in Convos. I use TheLounge and it’s perfectly capable of taking an mp4 to upload on the server and display it in the chat. I share images daily by uploading them from my IRC client and they are displayed in the chat… it’s not just text anymore!
Seriously. It’s not even the worst videoconferencing/chat tool, let alone all the other industries that thrive on barely usable software. Healthcare software, for example.
If all you’ve ever used is phone software that’s either made to as frictionless as possible to gather as much data from you as possible, then I can see hating Teams. If anything, Teams is a victim of its own success. Everyone hated the bloat in Outlook which now looks stripped down by comparison, because Teams is clearly the MS golden child and if you want your project to live at MS it needs to connect to Teams in some way.
I’ve used fully functional chat applications, and I’ve used Microsoft Teams.
Teams is so bad it seems intentional
Everything is relative. Teams is a shining beacon of competency when compared to a lot of the utter shit software and firmware that I end up having to deal with.
I am so glad my new job had sense to say no. Their cost benefit analysis pretty much said the amount of pain, man hours, and bullshit it would cost to run far outweighed the higher price of the alternative product they went with.
don’t forget all the crapware foisted off on small businesses – point-of-sale systems designed for Windows XP and the company’s gone belly-up but you can’t switch because all of your data is locked in – manufacturing hardware with proprietary EISA cards and drivers for Windows 98 and there’s not enough installs to justify reverse engineering …
I have a small business and we all work from home. Teams is amazing for remote working. Great for chatting, sharing screens and remote controlling another computer. Don’t know why it’s getting so much hate.
Because it’s objectively worse than every major alternative while being absurdly resource intensive. Just watching it struggle feels like the punchline to a very dry & tragically unfunny joke
Teams feels a bit like a never ending beta. On one hand, it’s kind of nice to get constant tweaks and it’s generally pretty good. On the other, things do break from time to time. There’s also the whole “new teams” thing, which feels… very similar to “old teams”. All the old sillyness, like not being able to folder dive in a team while chatting (it will forget where you were when you switch back) for not much benefit. It also is a big regression in basics like spell check speed. It takes seconds for a red squiggle to send, so now my spoild self has to wait a bit before hitting enter.
At least it’s not new outlook. Everything on that is way slower and it’s very clear the UI was not optimized for a computer. Left click to spell check in an email body, right click to spell check in an email title. Want to add formatting in a meeting invite? Ha, that’s rich. Even very basic things like changing fonts take forever.
Both feel a bit like a new PM being given the reigns and going at it. I struggle to see what was so wrong with the old versions, especially outlook…
Its features are great, like any other web confrence software that does the same.
However the constant UI changes lead to a lot of issues for IT people who have re-tech the entire staff how to use it every update. For a small business thats not probably too bad. For somewhere with hundreds of employee working from home who barley know where the start menu is - that’s a nightmare.
The “new” teams doesn’t work with business accounts. you have to use the specific, now seperate, version for “work and school”. Guess which one the everyone’s existing desktop link is to? Now IT has to get everyone to use the right version of teams…an absolutely insane choice and terrible end user expirence.
Am I the only one on Lemmy who uses Teams every day and basically has no issues? It’s not perfect, but I much prefer it over SfB, Lync, G2M, WebEx, Zoom & RingCentral.
I feel like people who hate Teams never had to suffer through Skype for Business, which truly was one of the worst pieces of software I’ve ever used in my life. It used the layout engine from WORD to render chat windows. It had an unsynchronized mobile client that 9/10 never received messages unless it was open while the person sent it. It was hell.
Most of Teams’ problems stem from it being an Electron app that aggressively caches everything, which new Teams actually solves so I’m pretty happy with it. I also have to support users of it for our org too, so I don’t just use it constantly I also have to fix it if it breaks, so it’s not just lack of awareness of common issues.
It is lack of awareness, the users don’t report most problems to you. If they did, you wouldn’t have time to do anything but read the problems. I don’t report to IT every bug that annoys me in teams, because they can’t do shit about it and it would take hours for me to list them
Yeah that would make sense if I also didn’t have to use it all day every day.
Also just because you don’t report issues, doesn’t mean others don’t. I never said it was perfect, far from it. But it’s as good or better than many alternatives.
Why does Teams break my wireless headset (which I’m required to use for my job) half the time and half the time it’s fine? That’s one of my biggest gripes with it tbh. Our IT department couldn’t figure it out. I’ll open teams and suddenly my headset stops working and it fixes itself when I close Teams. The browser client version of the app doesn’t seem to do this though thankfully.
It’s fine for features. The UI design reminds me of phone apps; you have to guess what the symbol means rather than using actual text, but for the most part it does it’s job of facilitating office communications. Files are a bitch, but i don’t have to use those in teams too often.
My hate stems from its godawful search, and the fact that it struggles to load goddamn text. I swear to god i can count the seconds for each scroll upwards and i hate it.
there’s plenty to hate on Ms for, but oddly, teams doesn’t trigger me.
I think the part about teams that bothers me the most is the broader o365, windows, onedrive, SharePoint etc “integration”. It’s so fucking bad.
I never know where anything is saving. Locally? On my one drive? In a temp folder that is findable and that file doesn’t even show up as a recent file? Or is it on some weird SharePoint backend that teams is using? Am I having an offline copy or did I just inadvertently save a copy to the shared drive?
It’s all just bad enough that it’s a horrendous overall user experience.
It feels like MS gets in the way more than it let’s me do my job. I didn’t always feel this way.
To top it off, the way people use it causes issues. Everyone does it differently. You could have people that use outlook for sending docs, people that use teams exclusively, people that use both, people that send share links in email, people that just tag you in some buried “team” you didn’t ever want to be a part of.
Then they’re like “did you see the thing I sent you?” …
Like fucking where?!? Where did you send it?! Let me go search for it–oh well search sucks, the activity feed is almost too verbose so meaningful things get buried too fast.
Bleh. The amount of productivity lost to MS software offsets almost any productivity gain we get from it. It’s a “wash” at best these days.
