Symbolic gesture vetoed.
Palestine simply doesn’t have any viable leadership. It’s ok to criticize Israel, but still not ok to criticize Palestine, so nobody is holding Palestinian leadership to account.
You got Fatah which is corrupt. You got Hamas which is corrupt and are terrorists.
If Palestine had full independence tomorrow, what kind of state would it be? A failed state. The next Yemen, Somalia, or Afghanistan.
But yeah give some legitimacy to the corrupt leaders of an occupied territory and continue to avoid looking at the reality of how bad their leadership is a little longer. That will improve things for Palestinians!
Oh right, I forgot we’re supposed to performatively care about Palestinians while not actually caring about them.
You’re getting downvoted, but a lot of people who only hear of the conflict from their own bubble and from what mainstream media reports do not realise that there are various factions within Palestine. So much so that there was a civil war between PLO and Hamas. PLO controls West Bank while Hamas controls Gaza from this resulting conflict.
In any case, Fatah and Hamas are untrustworthy, while the moderate PLO are neutered and often accused by ordinary Palestinians as puppet for Israel.
Palestine is not wholly represented by one government or faction. I’m afraid you’re right on this. I think the only way for there to be peace is for ordinary Israelies and Palestinians to mutually demand to their politicians to renounce violence and both accept the two-state solution.
Chicken versus the egg. How can they have any viable leadership when there is no right of self-determination? When there is an occupation? When land grabs via illegal settlement building has continued for decades and decades. Israel gets admonished at best but none that hasn’t stopped the settlement building (filled by crazy right wing religious folks). When there’s a boot on your neck at all times, how do you expect a people to flourish, to have a “viable leadership”? When right wing religious zealots who believe all of Israel is theirs run amok.
This argument seems to want to shift blame on the occupied, not the occupiers. Basically another form of dehumanization that has been trodded out when it becomes harder to look past the indiscriminate, disproportionate (common theme) killing of civilians.
Reminder the US is an imperialist power that is evil.
Reminder anyone actually describing things as evil has the intellect of a child and no concept of reality
Wow your such an intellectual. So you wanna tell me rape, torture, genocide are all not evil? What about pedophilia? What the nazis did? Is that evil? Killing innocent civilians?
No they’re not 'evil t’hey’re heinous acts committed by humans, but what we’re really taking about is people and collections of people - they’re not some spiritual terror hellbent on causing pain they’re normal people with parents and likely children they love, friends and ambitions and hopes for the world.
Acting like things you don’t agree with are evil allows you to hate them without question, of course they must ve stopped they’re only trying to hurt people… and of course you shouldn’t bother to question your own team they’re good so a thing they do is justified in the fight against evil… which is how you become someone else’s evil.
Throw out childish bronze age notions of how reality works and sccept the complexity which is all around us and turns everything into a Grey area.
Fuck you, Biden. I’m only voting for you because the alternatives are worse.
There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide. You have already hit rock bottom.
What if the other side is also genocide along with totalitarian fascist rule?
You still would be voting for a self proclaimed non-Jewish Zionist whose pockets are lined by Israel to commit genocide. Don’t let any “other side” or bullshit “trolley problem” argument take that away from you. At least have the balls to own it. This whole purely pragmatic approach to “lesser evil dilemma” is what brought Biden to power in the first place. But yeah surely next time it’ll be better. Doesn’t matter how many people die because “Orange man bad”.
Since I couldn’t get the message across on my first comment, let me repeat myself. There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide.
Yeah so let’s elect a man that said he’d be a dictator to the highest office and put him in charge of the largest military on the globe. Sounds like a nice alternative in our facsimile of democracy.
Lemmy sure does seem to have a more vocal insane minority that are either Russian shills, or just want to burn down the US. This is my biggest issue with the fediverse.
Anyone who claims Trump and Biden are the same is just a fool.
Do what you want, but don’t kid yourself into thinking you’ll help the situation by exercising a vote for Trump, 3rd party, or abstaining from voting. Expect a lot worse treatment for Palestine, its citizenry, and other middle eastern countries from his opponent.
That being said, you may not have to worry about who you’ll vote for ever again if the fascists gain control… you’ll have a lot of other things to worry about, but voting won’t be one of them.
I’ll vote 3rd party with you. Don’t be dissuaded by the neoliberal hate machine, we have a right to choose something better. Maybe if enough of us believe that, we could have it.
Not everybody voting against Trump are neoliberals. We just believe a 2nd Trump term will be significantly worse than a 2nd Biden term.
Voting 3rd party is just a way to make you feel like you’ve done something good without actually doing anything good. Fact is, are only 2 parties in this country.
Does Palestine even have a reasonable government that could represent them?
Nope. Then again, when it comes to this particular conflict, neither does the US.
And it’s about to become even worse when the combination of Biden’s insistence that Zionism is more important than human rights and the DNC’s insistence on him likely leads to another extremely avoidable loss to the mango Mussolini and his fascist henchmen.
Thanks Biden!
Yeah, but blaming anyone else doesn’t help sour support for Democrats in an election year
Maybe not, but it’s important to know that voting for Trump or not voting will not make things better. It will just make things worse. Especially with regards to Palestine and Gaza.
