This is the best summary I could come up with:
U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
Ambassador Riyad Mansour told the council after the vote: “The fact that this resolution did not pass will not break our will and it will not defeat our determination.”
Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, reiterated the commitment to a two-state solution but asserted that Israel believes Palestine “is a permanent strategic threat.”
Ambassador Gilad Erdan called the resolution “disconnected to the reality on the ground” and warned that it “will cause only destruction for years to come and harm any chance for future dialogue.”
Six months after the Oct. 7 attack by the Hamas militant group, which controlled Gaza, and the killing of 1,200 people in “the most brutal massacre of Jews since the Holocaust,” he accused the Security Council of seeking “to reward the perpetrators of these atrocities with statehood.”
After the vote, Erdan thanked the United States and particularly President Joe Biden “for standing up for truth and morality in the face of hypocrisy and politics.”
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Such a great idea to make an international organisation for diplomacy where the nations that are already dominant also have complete power to stop anything they don’t like.
Surely this is a credible institution and not just a respectable veil over imperialism.
That’s right just sit there and frown at the guy vetoing instead of doing your duty to humanity and punching him in the face.
Every international organization alike, is there to perpetuate US/Europe imperialism.
Hey now, there exist international organizations to perpetuate Russian and Chinese imperialism too! Except the Russian ones are always dysfunctional as fuck and never actually work out.
And the Chinese ones almost always work exclusively on economic Swords of Damocles.
In a world with an egalitarian UN, but no great powers in it, everyone is just going to pay attention to what the great powers are off doing on their own. Nobody would care what the UN is doing.
It’s so funny to me that you guys turn to violence so quickly to get what you want, like you start talking like you care about things being fair but literally can’t help but show your true colors ‘Anyone who doesn’t do what I want should be beaten!’
You love imperialism, you just think you should be in charge of it lol
“you guys” meaning who exactly? Anarchists aren’t known for their love of imperialism.
And what, a punch is imperialism now? You really just want anyone that disagrees with you to be a nazi or something, don’t you? Or I guess you assumed I was a tankie, didn’t you? Some words are just doomed once liberals get a hold of them.
I guarantee you if someone punched that guy in his stupid fucking face mid-veto it would be front page news and it would influence public opinion, and at the very least that person could tell their grandkids, “I didn’t just sit there frowning and doing nothing while thousands were condemned to death and suffering.” It would also delegitimise the UN quite a lot, which I think would be a good thing. But it’s not going to happen because anybody there is well-paid and has a prestigious position, which is one of the ways an institution like that maintains its appearance of legitimacy.
EDIT: Oh, and anyone that doesn’t “do what I want”? You think there are two sides to whether Palestine needs support and recognition in the midst of an ongoing genocide? This isn’t a difficult moral calculation.
Fuck you, Biden. I’m only voting for you because the alternatives are worse.
There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide. You have already hit rock bottom.
What if the other side is also genocide along with totalitarian fascist rule?
You still would be voting for a self proclaimed non-Jewish Zionist whose pockets are lined by Israel to commit genocide. Don’t let any “other side” or bullshit “trolley problem” argument take that away from you. At least have the balls to own it. This whole purely pragmatic approach to “lesser evil dilemma” is what brought Biden to power in the first place. But yeah surely next time it’ll be better. Doesn’t matter how many people die because “Orange man bad”.
Since I couldn’t get the message across on my first comment, let me repeat myself. There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide.
Yeah so let’s elect a man that said he’d be a dictator to the highest office and put him in charge of the largest military on the globe. Sounds like a nice alternative in our facsimile of democracy.
Lemmy sure does seem to have a more vocal insane minority that are either Russian shills, or just want to burn down the US. This is my biggest issue with the fediverse.
Anyone who claims Trump and Biden are the same is just a fool.
Do what you want, but don’t kid yourself into thinking you’ll help the situation by exercising a vote for Trump, 3rd party, or abstaining from voting. Expect a lot worse treatment for Palestine, its citizenry, and other middle eastern countries from his opponent.
That being said, you may not have to worry about who you’ll vote for ever again if the fascists gain control… you’ll have a lot of other things to worry about, but voting won’t be one of them.
I’ll vote 3rd party with you. Don’t be dissuaded by the neoliberal hate machine, we have a right to choose something better. Maybe if enough of us believe that, we could have it.
Not everybody voting against Trump are neoliberals. We just believe a 2nd Trump term will be significantly worse than a 2nd Biden term.
Voting 3rd party is just a way to make you feel like you’ve done something good without actually doing anything good. Fact is, are only 2 parties in this country.
Stupid US-ians.
I posed a question in another thread, but this one seems like it’s winning:
Who would represent Palestine if they had been accepted? Who can represent Palestine?
Well in a 2 state solution, you’d expect the Palestinians to be able to choose.
Unless we don’t want a 2 state solution.
Right. But wouldn’t they need a Palestine state before being eligible to join the UN? With unified leadership to represent them?
Seems like a prerequisite.
139 countries recognize Palestine as a state. Officially, they’re a non member observer state.
That’s putting the cart before the horse. You can’t say “you have to have conducted a general election before you become a nation state.”
That would be like telling a slave they can’t become a free person unless they’ve already got a job that pays them direct wages.
Unless we don’t want a 2 state solution.
More importantly Isreal as well as the PA reject the idea of a 2 state solution.
PA, you know Gaza isn’t Palestine. Plus the two state is set at the founding of Israel, and both Israel and Palestine have equal rights to be represented in the UN.
It is another story that Israel is trying deliberately to undermine Palestinian rights and oppose any statehood. All the road blocks, checkpoints, walls, settlement etc. built and imposed to the Palestinian population are completely illegal according to international law, but again Israel backed by the US act with extreme impunity.
Under this thought process, if Gaza isn’t Palestine, should the Palestinians’ state be recognized, what happens to Gaza? Is it absorbed into Israel? From what I can tell I don’t think this is gonna fly, almost anyone talking about this and the Gazans themselves don’t agree it seems
Never said that, What is a Palestinian territory is defined in 1948. Where it is clearly stated what should belong to Israel and what to Palestine.
