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Hahahah imagine expecting liberal media to stop fascism.

Liberalism creates the conditions of fascism; Capitalism tends towards crisis, eventually it must be buttressed by applying colonial methods at home.

Liberals always do everything they can to keep us on the path towards fascism, since socialism represents a greater threat to capitalism.

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I’m so glad idiots like you are a joke to the silent majority, who will continue living free under liberalism long after fascism and communism are forgotten.

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Have you been frozen since the 90s? All the proclamations that liberalism won and it was the end of history, and we’d just have technocratic tweaks to capitalism forever were wrong.

Capitalism tends towards crisis when it can’t expand its markets, it’s structural.

Hell this very post is about liberals being complicit with or facilitating the rise of fascism.

Because there’s nothing new under the sun, you can study the same dynamic in 1930s germany. The choice is socialism or barbarism, and the liberals choose barbarism every time.

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I see a few people helping the fascists around here, and one of them is you.

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lol OK kid

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2 points

Social Democrat, here: Both of you people suck.

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Don’t worry, you’re a ‘lib’ to all the self-proclaimed Very Pure Leftists.

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I just want to throw in here, that the ‘silent majority’ used to mean the dead.

* according to a comic I read on the internet, but meh, maybe I’ll look it up later

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Wow, that’s very profound. Thank you for wisely using both of our time on that insight.

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70 points

“bbbbut thuh Dems haven’t done anything to EARN my vote” and other such brain dead takes from ding dongs who don’t understand basic pragmatic logic.

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Neither of us can convince someone whose friends had their asses beat by cops at a university protesting Biden’s action. Only Biden can do that, by ending the genocide.

When dems lose for not doing the things they need to do to get elected, are you going to blame the dems for not winning what should be an easy election by just doing the things the people want him to do, using all the means at his disposal, or are you going to blame every single voter in the US for not voting for a party that shows nothing but contempt for them?

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Dems lose? We all lose. You people seem to forget you’re fucking everyone. Your feelings don’t matter, outcomes do. If you know Trump wins in this scenario, and you know there may be no more free elections, how does this “force the Dems to learn for next time?” Braindead ideological bullshit. You’re a fucking cult.

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Why the hell are you coming at me then? I can’t control the dems policies, nor can I change the psychology of muslims to vote for a guy who is facilitating genocide. Nothing I say would convince someone who is struggling to pay rent because their student loans were resumed by executive order.

The only thing either of us can do is pressure the dems to do the things they need to do to get elected. If Biden stops the genocide, then I could tell muslims “Hey, if you don’t vote Biden, Trump will resume it”, and college grads “Hey, if you don’t vote Biden, Trump will resume loan repayments”, and women “Hey, if you don’t vote Biden, Trump’s gonna remove your right to bodily autonomy” but I can’t do that because he doesn’t give me shit to work with.

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“what should be an easy election” <- this is how we know you are campaigning for Trump. There is no such thing as an easy election. Since 1992, Democrats have won the popular vote in 7 out of 8 elections, but that didn’t stop Bush from beating Gore, or Trump from beating Clinton.

lol, all your type does is talk about dems dems dems, not a single word about Republicans or how much worse they have proven to be when they are in office.

Trump said he would help Israel end the genocide, I guess that’s what you want after all, right?

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Oh, so you’re still under the delusion the DNC did nothing wrong, and it’s the voters who were wrong for not voting harder.

Look at it this way: The democrats can change their own policy. They cannot change the psychology of the masses. No matter how much you yell at people for pointing it out, facilitating genocide, restarting student loans, letting Texas keep their child drowning fence, standing around while states ban abortion, are bad for electoral outcomes.

The republicans are psychopaths whose policies are bad for the material conditions of 99% of Americans. This has been true forever, but here we are, with dems somehow right of Richard Nixon. You have to have absolute dogshit policies for it to even be close, and that’s exactly what got us here. “Well trump might have restarted student loan payments but worse” isn’t gonna convince someone who is building up credit card debt now because they can’t balance rent, food, and student loan repayments.

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14 points

Sure Biden has messed up with the protesters, but the Republican nominee Trump, would have had you shot.

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20 points

Considering his cabinet has stated they actively had to dissuade him, several times, from simply ordering military elements to “gun down” protestors during the Floyd protests in 2020…yeah.

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Sure but when Trump becomes president and you start to realise what you’ve done, don’t expect any help, sympathy, or even basic human decency.

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I notice a certain slight tendency in your comments to talk about China, implication that aid for Taiwan was “bought” from the US congress by someone, tendency to delve into the details of tariffs and suchlike.

Quick question for you: If I protest in China against a Chinese policy I don’t agree with, what happens to me?

(This isn’t a whataboutism – China doing something doesn’t excuse the US police from doing a much milder version of the same thing. I don’t think they should be beating or arresting protestors here either. I’m just curious how universally you apply this concern for protestors who had their asses beat.)

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Quick question for you: If I protest in China against a Chinese policy I don’t agree with, what happens to me?

Quick Answer: You can just google “site:scmp.com (or any other english language chinese news site) protestors”

You could probably find much better data if you googled the chinese word for protestors, but then you’d have to translate the results.

Even when the government wants to shut down protests, such as in HK, it’s 100x more gentle than the US is. Think of how many people getting run over by cops we saw in 2020. I didn’t see a single child get domed with a pepperball in Hong Kong.

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2 points

Yes I will blame the voters who think their pride is more important than the safety of others.

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45 points

* From dingdongs who are repeating – accidentally or on purpose – some bullshit that was professionally constructed to emotionally resonate and sound convincing on surface level, so that when people spread it on social media it can do its job and help Trump get elected and fuck up the country absolutely beyond recognition

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The reason, that you already got some upvotes for this, shows, that Lemmy has more users who are able to read more than a couple of words.

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Sadly they are the only voices trying to keep the Dems aim to the left.

Dems kept sliding right after coopting the middle with Clinton. Basically a Good Cop-Bad Cop routine.

Now there is no left, aside from Sanders.

Authoritarian to the left, fascist to the right, here we are.

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If Sanders ever got the Presidency, leftists would drop him within 3 months.

Leftists want a unicorn, and they don’t exist. Until leftists realize this, they’ll be powerless. Leftism in America has spent 20 years eating itself, and now they’re surprised they have no power.

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Sure, when Sanders was dominating the Democrats primary in 2016 we saw the entire county do a charachter assasination for a week straight.

It was the purest sign since Gove v Bush2 that the USA was no longer a republic nor a democracy.

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“The Dems aren’t liberal enough so I’m going to revenge vote tRuMp”

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These people do not exist in any significant number.

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lol yeah, the whole concept of “earning” a vote screams unearned entitlement and narcissistic tendencies on part of the voter.

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5 points

Journalists say this all the time. Does this guy only follow fox news?

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Okay it’s Saturday May 11th, what are the stories from CNN, NBC, ABC, WaPo, and NYT (front pages please) which say that. I just checked and there weren’t any.

There’s trump-in-court, trump-in-irs-trouble, other things like “some say he shouldn’t be campaigning in a blue state on his day off from court” or whatever.

It’s not like a breaking news story. It’s got to be folded into the telling of all the other stories about him. He tried - and failed - to stage a goddamned coup for fuck’s sake.

Incompetently planned, ridiculously reasoned, as one would expect, but he did it nonetheless and I want it to say IN EVERY ARTICLE ABOUT HIM that he tried to stage a coup which failed. Interview justice officials as to what - EXACTLY- are they going to do when he does it again. What protections are in place to prevent him from gutting appointees and protections? Where are those news stories?

And why, after 2016 and everything that we’re saying here happened then, would anyone need to explain this?

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Their whole framing of the story should acknowledge that he’s an enemy of the United States. He got dozens of CIA assets killed, he supported our enemy in a shooting war that’s still going on, and he tried to kill a bunch of politicians to seize power. Instead, they’re treating him like a candidate for president. Every single newspaper should be running stories about what a catastrophe it would be if someone who’s so clearly hostile to the United States managed to seize control of the United States government.

It’s like those editors from World War 2 that wanted to tone down coverage of Hitler because he’s a popular and successful leader. I mean, your statement’s not fully objectively wrong. But also, objectively, you’re missing the point.

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those editors from World War 2 that wanted to tone down coverage of Hitler

Fucking bingo dude.

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Let’s be honest here: how many people are really still getting their news from one of those formally mainstream outlets? Not a single news outlet is in the top 50 most visited websites. Cable and satellite subscriptions are at an all-time low and nobody even bothers hooking an antenna up to their TV anymore. We all just stream everything. And when’s the last time you’ve seen a newspaper on a driveway? I know I haven’t in over a decade.

What I’m saying is that what CNN, NBC, ABC, NYT, etc. don’t report on is irrelevant, because nobody gets their news from them anymore. Most people get their news from social media and word-of-mouth.

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I guess that you’re right they cant explictly say “Trump is a facist” because they will get sued but they hint at in and imply it in so many articles. Here’s a quick search which shows what I mean about journalists talking about this. You could find 10+ of these types of posts from each of the big news sites.

Opinion: Trump’s praise of dictators tells us all we need to know

‘It’s happening right here’: The authoritarian threat to American democracy

Why does Trump keep talking like a fascist? Because it works

Twelve signs Trump would try to run a fascist dictatorship in a second term

Talk of a Trump Dictatorship Charges the American Political Debate

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You could find 10+ of these types of posts from each of the big news sites.

These are good examples, but here’s the problem with them:

Opinion: Trump’s praise of dictators tells us all we need to know

This is an Opinion article, not a news article. In particular, the NYT likes to hide behind these, allowing opinion writers free rein while hedging and minimizing and normalizing the candidate in all the actual News articles.

‘It’s happening right here’: The authoritarian threat to American democracy

Likewise this is an interview with an author, not a news article.

Why does Trump keep talking like a fascist? Because it works

Another ‘editorial’, and Maddow is pretty great but sort of preaching to the choir. Not news reporting as such.

Twelve signs Trump would try to run a fascist dictatorship in a second term

Another Opinion piece, they even preface the author with “Perspective by” to distance themselves from it.

Talk of a Trump Dictatorship Charges the American Political Debate

This is the only actual news article of the bunch, and it is largely based on trumps famous ‘i’d be a dictator on the first day’ quote which was unfuckingbelievably outrageous in its own right. It’s probably worthy of a breakdown but I’d have to get past the paywall first. Also to note it’s on page 23 of the A section, not exactly front page anyway.

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7 points

Is this a meme?

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8 points

It’s the truth

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Sure. But i subscribed for memes. If I wanted simplified compressed political statements I would go to twitter.

Try posting it to woodworking or knitting if themes doesn’t matter.

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nerd

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Can someone send me actual proof that this is happening? Not some crackpot conspiracy theories?

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Here’s a list. Some excerpts:

slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security

invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries

create a federally funded “American Academy” that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded “wokeness or jihadism”. The plan would also be funded by taxing the endowments of major universities

every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother’s state of residence, and by what method

There’s lots more.

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Thank you

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12 points

fucking Heritage Foundation, wow.

At this point they are just evil for the sake of being evil.

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Evil for the sake of control.

They want a Saudi style dictatorship in America.

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At this point? The moment I hear the heritage foundation is involved in anything, I either think “of course they would be” or “what hidden implication am I missing?”

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What is happening? That they’re writing stories about trump as if he’s normal and just another presidential candidate?

Yeah, we can send you examples of that. Do you need to know more about Project 2025 or the multitudinous and fascistic threats he’s made on the campaign trail?

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