Ickplant I feel bad for you. You keep trying to make wholesome posts but you end inadvertently triggering discourse. First pit bull discourse and now hijab discourse.
Edit: Comments are reopened.
I can’t figure out which part of this story you doubt so I have to assume you’ve never met a trans person or a Muslim.
Half of my family is Muslim. I’m currently partnered with the trans alliance in my city to build their new housing co-op… I’m well versed in both sides of this and what’s stated above didn’t happen LoL. It’s a fairytale or as known in the Muslim community… teqqiyah.
Probably that a Muslim can both be open to trans people and wear a hijab at the same time.
Tbh is much easier to reconcile than you’d think.
Stop destroying prejudices against Muslims! How can you show them to be self confident and intelligent people that don’t need a white savior to explain the world to them?
This isn’t too far fetched. I recently saw a video of a woman who is Muslim explaining why she personally wouldn’t take her hijab off in front of a trans woman. Which is the opposite of the op story
BUT… it’s obvious that figuring out how trans women fit into their religious beliefs would be a discussion among Muslim women. Just like Christianity, there are going to be different interpretations, person to person even, of what is ok and not. Seems to me like this would actually be a really easy way for a woman to show her support to a friend.
My op was removed LoL. I guess you’re not allowed to introduce reality into these fairytales. Half of my family is Muslim, this is absolutely a fairytale LMFAO.
Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible
Fuck people that want to tell women what not to wear. You are doing the same like those forcing a hijab.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
Nobody here is telling women what not to wear though. “You are doing the same like thlse forcing a hijab?” jose1324 isn’t killing people for wearing them
By saying “fuck that this gesture is possible” the conclusion is that it shouldn’t, which means that women wouldn’t wear hijab in the first place. But as they choose to do so, that means infringing on their choice.
And it should be very telling that in places like Iran women face repression if they want to not wear hijab, and the western countries working towards the opposite sentiment of repression for wearing hijab.
Would they choose to wear a hijab if that religion did not exist? Looking at the rest of the world, the answer is a resounding “no.”
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/veil-wearing-tradition-0017535
https://daily.jstor.org/the-power-of-the-veil-for-spanish-women/
I am sorry, but please educate yourself before making such nonsensical statements. Veiling has been a part of culture and religion outside of Islam for millennia. And if you look at the second source, you’ll see that veiling also has been a mean of liberation and that banning it is part of a long history of oppressing women
I imagine because in, “civilized” nations… women are just sexual objects. Watch the ads, the movies, the cartoons, the magazines… all industries pertaining to women are sexualized. You must do this, that, wear this, that in order to be acceptable.
Everyone can still wear a scarves on their heads. Believe it or not it’s not a new or exclusively religious article of clothing.
Any scarve that covers the hair is considered a hijab. There is no special scarve for a hijab and hijabs can take all shapes, colors and patterns.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
In democracies (and absence of family pressure) maybe, but in most of the world, I doubt it.
And you know that because you spoke with so many of these women, or you know that because you think being from a white western country entitles you to know best for everyone in the world?
They’re supposed to mirror Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (pbut). She wore a hijab.
Choice under the threat of violence is no choice at all. Indistinguishable from authoritarian barbarism.
Thank you. And those who continue to don such symbols of oppression when they do have a real choice are choosing to express violence against their subjugated peers.
There’s a reason why every free society rejects universal dress codes, and I for one will choose to stand again them whether they are for church or middle school.
“Choose” is a very loaded word here. Yes, technically, they have a choice between wearing a hijab and an alternative, but what is that alternative? For someone in a conservative Muslim community, there is an extreme stigma against choosing not to wear a hijab, so it’s a choice between wearing one or being shunned. If it’s a theocratic country, it’s a choice between wearing one and death. Yes, technically a choice, but no more of a choice than being robbed at gunpoint and “choosing” to empty your pockets to not be shot in the head.
The flak you’re getting for this is bizarre. There are tons of women who wear a hijab by choice. It’s self expression, hell people even do pinups/porn in them so it’s not like the religious association is absolute or binding.
Women should not be forced to wear a hijab, but they also shouldn’t be forced not to. Feminism is about choice, the choice between embracing traditional roles and rules or eschewing them with equal acceptance.
Articles from women who choose to wear a hijab:
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-right-to-choose-to-wear-or-not-hijab/
https://www.aclu.org/documents/discrimination-against-muslim-women-fact-sheet
This users comments seem to have a habit of turning into a “.”
Weird, so here’s their comment preserved
Wow they sure are a chicken shit with the consequences of their comments.
Well, most of them appear to have a favorable rating so I don’t know about that.
Either it’s a privacy thing or they’re posting propaganda of some sort and then once they’ve reached enough people they edit the comment.
I’m choosing to go with the former. Not because I agree with their comment (don’t know where I stand on the issue, just know it isn’t my business), but because lemmy seems to be a place where users value privacy.
Edit: Holy shit I’m a liar. I don’t what I was seeing a few minutes ago. I was dead wrong.
Things that didn’t happen for $100, Ryan.
