The best is don’t smoke at all
Don’t vape, but if you’re going to pick up an addictive habit pick up vaping instead of cigarettes/drinking/gacha games. Much less hazardous to your health.
unfortunately vaping is causing cancer which again unfortunately kill you faster than smoking
Same goes for the first claim, right? Both commenters made a statement: One said it’s healthier the other said it’s causing cancer, neither has a source.
more time are need for the side effects of vaping to be better understood but it ain’t safer than smoking. actually there are other diseases related to vaping than the traditional smoking.here is the article https://thancguide.org/2020/08/the-journey/patients-journey/how-is-vaping-connected-to-oral-cancer/
That’s literally the opposite of the truth.
Smoking tobacco is the world’s number one lifestyle cause of premature deaths in general and cancer in particular.
Meanwhile, there’s no credible evidence that vaping causes cancer at all, let alone at the extreme rate that tobacco smoking does.
Only actual study I have ever seen that even posits a reasonable way that vaping increases your risk of cancer is if you’re using shitty burnt out coils or overamping and basically inhaling atomized metals from the coil.
Basically its the equivalent of smoking a cigarette down to the filter.
It is not hard to keep your tank mostly full and swap out coils in a timely manner these days. Coil design, amount of electricity used and the juice itself have all changed to make it a lot more difficult for the burning up and inhaling your coil situation to happen.
I mean I switched to vaping a few years back. Still getting a smokers cough and breathing has barely improved. I should quit completely. Vaping has made it slightly easier, though. But in all honesty, screw the health effects of either I’m just glad I don’t reek of cigarettes anymore. I didn’t realize how absolutely awful my clothes smelt until I switched.
When I first hugged my little brother after I switched to vaping he said, “you don’t smell like cigarettes” and my heart just broke. I can’t ever go back, even if vaping isn’t really helping me quit nicotine, it’s still saving them from being around the smell like I was when I was a little kid, and I hated that damn smell. Should’ve never started, but it’s easier said than done.
This is harmful misinformation that can literally lead to people dying from tobacco related disease.
Vaping, while definitely not healthy, is NOWHERE NEAR as unhealthy as smoking tobacco is. Especially when you do it as intended: temporarily for smoking cessation like I added decades to my life by doing.
I smoked for 18 years, the last 10 of which I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medicine and substance abuse therapy. They just didn’t work for me.
Vaping did, though. In roughly 6 months I went from smoking a pack or two a day (depending on stress levels and alcohol intake) to neither smoking nor vaping at all and I haven’t for over 3 years.
If it can help people to quit smoking, I’m all for it. But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won’t have any of the harmfull effects of those.
If it can help people to quit smoking, I’m all for it.
That’s literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it’s used for today.
But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won’t have any of the harmfull effects of those.
Again, that’s all it was ever designed for.
Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that? Not to offend you, but that seems rather unlikely to me. This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020. It would be very suprising if these kids tried to quit smoking cigarettes
I think the main problem is that the companies selling vapes and related products are not really targeting users who are quitting smoking. Obviously there is less money in temporary users. They are targeting people who will keep smoking, usually because it is “cool” and especially teenagers who are a good target for “cool” and can be customers for a long time.
So yes, if you are using it temporarily ease off nicotine it is great and we should keep vapes available for these people as medical devices. However we should try to reduce the damage that vapes are doing to other people. How strongly we should do this is obviously controversial. Personally I would focus on education and personal choice, but there is a strong argument to be more forceful.
So, ok, absolutely if you go through disposable vape after disposable vape, yes you are literally throwing batteries away…
But if you get a rechargeable, refillable pocket vape, which you can get for maybe the cost of two or three disposables…
Then you are just recharging a battery. Usually a much smaller (in terms of energy capacity) battery than even the crappiest phone.
Obviously you should not pick up vaping as a habit, but it is faaaar less bad for you than smoking, and if you were already addicted to smoking, well switching to a vape is healthier and less expensive.
Myself I spent almost a decade smoking, switched to a vape and my lung capacity is greatly improved, oral health is way better, oh and no more horrific coughing. I am slowly dialing down the concentration in the hopes that one day I’ll be able to quit.
Before that it was years of trying to quit cigarettes, making it a week or a month with none, giving up and getting a pack, feeling like a piece of shit figuratively and literally as they’d make me sick again.
People do not seem to widely realize or appreciate that nicotine withdrawals are as bad or worse than heroin withdrawals.
Another hand grenade you can throw into this is: Sure, smoking weed has varying medicinal properties, but it also has the problem that you are smoking something.
Do you smoke your blunts through a filter?
No?
Oh, ok so thats about the same tar and particulate matter as the same amount of smoking hand rolled cigarettes.
Ive known plenty of habitual weed smokers with the traditionally tobacco associated ‘smokers cough’, and they would tell me that smoking MJ is actually healthy for you as they are weezing and out of breath, hacking up a lung after a flight or two of stairs.
Thanks!
And no, I have not heard about that, do you have a link to something going into that maybe?
If you do I will read it after I wake up, I have been up all night and just wrote a couple hundred words of a short story about Elon Musk being the world’s worst sandwich maker.
Delirium is clearly upon me so I should probably sleep now.
I’ve head some doctors say it can cause cancer in the soft tissue indide your mouth and cheeks.
[Edit] Why the hell am I being downvoted? This is confirmed information.
From the link:
“It’s not only tobacco smoking that can affect oral health and have other health risks. When vape juice is heated it can potentially damage enamel and irritate soft tissue. As the ingredients tend to be thick and sticky, vapers may be at a higher risk of developing tooth decay and gum disease,” Dr Brown said.
That is a far cry from cancer, which your link makes no mention of.
It also says:
The oral health risks of dry mouth are compounded if people consume sweetened drinks, such as flavoured milks, energy drinks and soft drinks instead of water to combat the effects, which can then provide a greater food source for bacteria.”
So if this is what you’re hanging your hat on you better fucking only drink water my dude.
Because I’ve watched doctors say it on tv but finding similar articles is harder because you get spammed with other articles you’re not looking for.
But I guess everyone likes to downvote when they don’t like the content because that was before I even shared that link.
