A lot of comments here are saying that vaping is apprently healthier than smoking. But we don’t actually know that. All independent studies I know of say that we can’t tell the long term consequences to vaping lungs yet.
Everyone that says that vaping is healthier than smoking is just parotting the companies that sell vapes.
Edit: Some videos about that topic:
Actually, it was on the Dutch news recently that doctors find that it’s really unhealthy for teenagers.
we don’t know the long term consequences
Does not equate to “just as harmful as cigarettes”. All of the data that we have available shows it to be considerably less harmful than cigarettes. If there are long term consequences, and there almost certainly are, they will still be less harmful than cigarettes.
I never said that vapes are “just as harmful as cigaretres”. Altough most studies that suggest “less harmful” vapes are corporately sponsored by vape companies and tobacco companies that are slowly adopting vapes into their model.
Vapes as a tool to quit smoking are a nice tale, and probably work sometimes. But mostly vapes attracted teenagers and young adults and have started addicting a new generation of smokers/vapers after numbers have been falling these past few years.
So who’s paying you to shill?
We’re not parroting companies selling vapes. This is literally 9 years ago: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update
At least 95% less harmful than tobacco.
9 years of evidence is a lot of time when it comes to signs of long term damage. Especially with a new technology
Ok, fair, but you’re missing the blatantly obvious here:
Even if at 20 years you suddenly drop dead of vaper’s lung, those first 19.99 years were significantly less unhealthy than smoking cigarettes was.
So, the longer we go without seeing long-term issues, the more extreme those issues would need to be to actually outweigh cigarette danger.
Yup. They have updated studies, as late as last year, without much change in the outcome. People have been vaping for 13-14 years now too.
My point being, we have studies its less unhealthy by a huge degree, and it’s also backed up by anecdotal evidence.
Whatever the case, if you are a smoker, you definitely will live longer if you switch to vaping.
How much longer compared to no smoking/vaping remains to be seen in long term.
Anecdotally: just about every smoker I know has had the effects of smoking related problems go away just after few months of vaping. No wheezing, smokers cough going away, respitory issues and sleep apnea either reduced or gone.
The best is don’t smoke at all
Don’t vape, but if you’re going to pick up an addictive habit pick up vaping instead of cigarettes/drinking/gacha games. Much less hazardous to your health.
unfortunately vaping is causing cancer which again unfortunately kill you faster than smoking
Same goes for the first claim, right? Both commenters made a statement: One said it’s healthier the other said it’s causing cancer, neither has a source.
more time are need for the side effects of vaping to be better understood but it ain’t safer than smoking. actually there are other diseases related to vaping than the traditional smoking.here is the article https://thancguide.org/2020/08/the-journey/patients-journey/how-is-vaping-connected-to-oral-cancer/
That’s literally the opposite of the truth.
Smoking tobacco is the world’s number one lifestyle cause of premature deaths in general and cancer in particular.
Meanwhile, there’s no credible evidence that vaping causes cancer at all, let alone at the extreme rate that tobacco smoking does.
Only actual study I have ever seen that even posits a reasonable way that vaping increases your risk of cancer is if you’re using shitty burnt out coils or overamping and basically inhaling atomized metals from the coil.
Basically its the equivalent of smoking a cigarette down to the filter.
It is not hard to keep your tank mostly full and swap out coils in a timely manner these days. Coil design, amount of electricity used and the juice itself have all changed to make it a lot more difficult for the burning up and inhaling your coil situation to happen.
This is harmful misinformation that can literally lead to people dying from tobacco related disease.
Vaping, while definitely not healthy, is NOWHERE NEAR as unhealthy as smoking tobacco is. Especially when you do it as intended: temporarily for smoking cessation like I added decades to my life by doing.
I smoked for 18 years, the last 10 of which I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medicine and substance abuse therapy. They just didn’t work for me.
Vaping did, though. In roughly 6 months I went from smoking a pack or two a day (depending on stress levels and alcohol intake) to neither smoking nor vaping at all and I haven’t for over 3 years.
If it can help people to quit smoking, I’m all for it. But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won’t have any of the harmfull effects of those.
If it can help people to quit smoking, I’m all for it.
That’s literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it’s used for today.
But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won’t have any of the harmfull effects of those.
Again, that’s all it was ever designed for.
Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that? Not to offend you, but that seems rather unlikely to me. This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020. It would be very suprising if these kids tried to quit smoking cigarettes
I think the main problem is that the companies selling vapes and related products are not really targeting users who are quitting smoking. Obviously there is less money in temporary users. They are targeting people who will keep smoking, usually because it is “cool” and especially teenagers who are a good target for “cool” and can be customers for a long time.
So yes, if you are using it temporarily ease off nicotine it is great and we should keep vapes available for these people as medical devices. However we should try to reduce the damage that vapes are doing to other people. How strongly we should do this is obviously controversial. Personally I would focus on education and personal choice, but there is a strong argument to be more forceful.
So, ok, absolutely if you go through disposable vape after disposable vape, yes you are literally throwing batteries away…
But if you get a rechargeable, refillable pocket vape, which you can get for maybe the cost of two or three disposables…
Then you are just recharging a battery. Usually a much smaller (in terms of energy capacity) battery than even the crappiest phone.
Obviously you should not pick up vaping as a habit, but it is faaaar less bad for you than smoking, and if you were already addicted to smoking, well switching to a vape is healthier and less expensive.
Myself I spent almost a decade smoking, switched to a vape and my lung capacity is greatly improved, oral health is way better, oh and no more horrific coughing. I am slowly dialing down the concentration in the hopes that one day I’ll be able to quit.
Before that it was years of trying to quit cigarettes, making it a week or a month with none, giving up and getting a pack, feeling like a piece of shit figuratively and literally as they’d make me sick again.
People do not seem to widely realize or appreciate that nicotine withdrawals are as bad or worse than heroin withdrawals.
Another hand grenade you can throw into this is: Sure, smoking weed has varying medicinal properties, but it also has the problem that you are smoking something.
Do you smoke your blunts through a filter?
No?
Oh, ok so thats about the same tar and particulate matter as the same amount of smoking hand rolled cigarettes.
Ive known plenty of habitual weed smokers with the traditionally tobacco associated ‘smokers cough’, and they would tell me that smoking MJ is actually healthy for you as they are weezing and out of breath, hacking up a lung after a flight or two of stairs.
Thanks!
And no, I have not heard about that, do you have a link to something going into that maybe?
If you do I will read it after I wake up, I have been up all night and just wrote a couple hundred words of a short story about Elon Musk being the world’s worst sandwich maker.
Delirium is clearly upon me so I should probably sleep now.
I’ve head some doctors say it can cause cancer in the soft tissue indide your mouth and cheeks.
[Edit] Why the hell am I being downvoted? This is confirmed information.
From the link:
“It’s not only tobacco smoking that can affect oral health and have other health risks. When vape juice is heated it can potentially damage enamel and irritate soft tissue. As the ingredients tend to be thick and sticky, vapers may be at a higher risk of developing tooth decay and gum disease,” Dr Brown said.
That is a far cry from cancer, which your link makes no mention of.
It also says:
The oral health risks of dry mouth are compounded if people consume sweetened drinks, such as flavoured milks, energy drinks and soft drinks instead of water to combat the effects, which can then provide a greater food source for bacteria.”
So if this is what you’re hanging your hat on you better fucking only drink water my dude.
Because I’ve watched doctors say it on tv but finding similar articles is harder because you get spammed with other articles you’re not looking for.
But I guess everyone likes to downvote when they don’t like the content because that was before I even shared that link.
