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Russia simply kept any airliners it had leased, effectively stealing them from the West

you mean like the 300 billion dollars the US effectively stole from Russia?

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300 billion is the worldwide total, not the US total.

So my point in contrasting those two situation is that the vast majority of that money is still sitting there, frozen, and actually โ€œstealingโ€ it is still considered a big deal 2 years in, with a lot of debate about when and how to go about it through legal means and whether to do it at all. Whereas with the planes, it was just right away โ€œyoink theyโ€™re ours now.โ€

One of my other interlocutors said, more or less, that of course they canโ€™t take the sanctions money completely, because it would be such a blatant theft that no one would ever trust the West again. Which, I donโ€™t think thatโ€™s completely a wrong take on it, but thenโ€ฆ what about the planes? How does that fit into that? That was my point.

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The West stole 300 billion dollars and imposed illegal โ€œsanctionsโ€, after which Russia decided not to return a few planes; quite a difference in scale. And yes, โ€œfreezingโ€ money is still theft โ€“ if you steal something and refuse to return it, โ€œI promise I wonโ€™t do anything with itโ€ is not a valid excuse

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So if someone else breaks the law first (sanctions), itโ€™s permissible to ignore the law in your dealings with them going forward (keeping the planes). Yes?

(Edit: I donโ€™t agree with that statement in general; Iโ€™m asking whether you agree with that statement, because it sounds like thatโ€™s what youโ€™re saying.)

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