Cool, vegans are invading this community. You’re all insufferable.
You’re the ones hurting innocent animals almost entirely for pleasure or convenience. Someone innocent getting hurt completely unnecessarily is good reason to cause a ruckus
Listen. If you personally are against eating meat and choose not to, great, I’m happy for you. But going and giving other people shit for their own dietary choices is as bad and obnoxious as telling people they shouldn’t have abortions. Shut the fuck up and let people live, you’re only making people hate you.
When an innocent victim is being harmed, silence is siding with the oppressor
You do realize stopping the meat industry altogether implies letting all livestock die, right? Very few people could afford keeping a cow or a pig as a pet and without the financial incentive there, farmers wouldn’t waste their money feeding the livestock. They can no longer survive in the wild.
I’m not in favour of how it works right now either, I’m all for more animal rights and better conditions, but to think we could just stop and everything would be nice is just plain naive.
Ok, so lets stop breeding them first. Stop paying people to force them to get pregnant.
Ideally we’d be able to release them into the wild or have sanctuaries for them, but that’s just not really possible. But if we stopped forcing more of them into existence then the remaining ones would all be killed pretty fast, which is far better than them and their children and their childrens children, and so on for the foreseeable future being killed.
More realistically, if animal liberation is achieved the population of farmed animals will gradually decline as fewer people support animal ag until there are only a few of them left, on sanctuaries or reserves or something, or they go extinct
I mean, if any of those 80,000 plants pack as much protein as any of the dead animals I’m all ears
the dead bodies of sentient beings
Some thoughts — the appeal to emotion is always going to be a turnoff here. Every time. I do get it, but if the people you were trying to convince cared about how fluffy and sad their food was, they would already be vegetarian.
Also, don’t think I won’t eat a human just because they’re sentient. Or an ostrich. Have you ever met an ostrich? They’re unapologetic dickheads. I’ll eat an ostrich’s babies on purpose. So mostly it qualifies as a guilt trip that goes nowhere, especially for those who hunt animals that need frequent culling like deer.
I think just trying to convince people to try recipes is more likely to hit, because who doesn’t want something new and inexpensive that they don’t have to feel fat about?
On that note, thank you for the reminder that I do really need to try tofu. I keep meaning to and forgetting, was not aware til last year how much protein it actually has (plants have a terrible rep), and I’m just gonna plan a dish at random and set a whole reminder for myself at this point. This is ridiculous. Would there be anything off the top of your head that’s your favorite?
You’d be surprised how many people don’t make the connection that nonhumans aren’t just flesh robots. Also a basic syllogism:
- Causing unnecessary suffering is wrong
- nonhuman animals are sentient, the things we do to them cause them to suffer in huge numbers at an industrial scale
- it’s unnecessary to eat them, we can thrive on a plant based diet (in fact, the environmental impact of animal ag means we’re making ourselves less likely to thrive in the future if we keep eating them)
- therefore, eating them causes huge amounts of unnecessary suffering
- therefore, eating them is wrong
A bit off topic, but I just want to say I really appreciate how your comment provided disagreement and criticism but in a friendly and polite tone that’s often lacking these days. Please continue to be this sort of person even if you get a bunch of down votes from people who just disagree.
For tofu, I’ve never cooked it myself, but am a fan of the fried tofu from my local Japanese restaurant. Maybe a simple pan-fried recipe is a good place to start?
Not everything that elicits emotion is an appeal to emotion. If I argue with a conservative and say that “anti-trans legislation leads to more trans suicides of the children you pretend to protect”, is that an appeal to emotion just because the conversative might get emotional?
An appeal to emotion is backed solely by the other persons emotion, nothing else. The very accurate description of what meat is backed by logic and the morality of most people, if we’re being honest.
Now, regarding effectiveness, I don’t know what’s better. All I know is that the people that aren’t activist always seem to know exactly how to do activism correctly. This applies to anti-racism, or feminism too. “I agree with your message, but your actions are too extreme/disruptive/emotional/etc.” Personally, I believe that the correct activism is ALL the activism: The loud, and the practical, and the friendly.
Veganism is not a diet, so just giving recipes without a philosophical backing will likely not create a lifelong lifestyle shift.
Regarding tofu I’d say think of it like plain chicken. It has zero real taste of it’s own, so just put it into stuff that’s tasty. Since it doesn’t have to be cooked for a specific time like chicken or lentils, I often just crumple a bit into whatever I’m making if it’s lacking “mass”. I would honestly recommend an actual, real life, paper cookbook over following youtube videos. They’re often more detailed, and better for beginners esp.
All legumes.
And you don’t need that much protein. 10% of your calory intake is enough, even if you’re living a sporty lifestyle. People overthink their protein need all the time—I blame the sports nutrition industry and their aggressive marketing campaigns.
and after eating all 80.000 you’ll still be hungry and feeling a bit weak…
face it, humans are omnivore we will always need both to thrive, balance is key
Meat is not essential for human diet. However, many of the nutrients found in meat are essential for our health. Protein, iron, and B vitamins are just some of the nutrients found in meats. Meat provides our bodies with proteins, vitamins, and minerals that are necessary for proper muscle and organ function.
Sure there is a pill for everything but its the same as getting a IV with fluids instead of drinking. You will still be thirsty… again finding balance is the key, not every meal requires meat.
I’d go farther in saying that staying the fuck away from “industrialy” grown meat, and overly processed food is the way to go (for health). Reducing a maximum the meat consumption, and subside it for higher quality one is what’s necessary for the environment.
Going vegetarian (mostly) is even more efficient in both cases as long as the diet is well crafted for balancing all the body needs.
However, many of the nutrients found in meat are essential for our health. Protein, iron, and B vitamins are just some of the nutrients found in meats.
These nutrients are found in non meat sources as well. Meat doesn’t carry anything unique besides B12 because we wash the fuck out of our vegetables. Plant based diets make it pretty difficult to miss nutrients unless you’re just sitting around eating oreos all day.
I haven’t eaten meat in almost a year and my fat ass is not exactly starving.
