Is it not incredible how the same people who are talking about how the west is descending into fascism also think that the west has moral superiority over the rest of the world and has the right to impose their values on the global majority.

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I have met people from the US (in person!) who genuinely think along the following lines:

  • Them: The election is coming up and I hate Trump, so I’ll probably vote for Biden.

  • Me: But Biden is just as bad as Trump, and is facilitating war and Genocide.

  • Them: Yeah maybe, but Trump is way worse for AMERICANS domestically, because he wants to take away LGBT and minority rights, so he’s the greater evil

  • Me: Why vote for evil at all? Why not pick a third party with better policies overall?

  • Them: Because that’s unrealistic and they have no chance.

I don’t understand how they think that they are bastions of democracy and morality in the world when they rationalize voting for literal warmongering genociders on the grounds that at the very least the genocide is happening abroad and they don’t have to care about it so long as they themselves have their social justices intact. And what tf sort of democracy do they have when the most basic concept of people choosing their leaders is done away with so easily that they resign themselves to one of two options because they cannot be bothered to take part in their politics beyond choosing red or blue instead of attempting to build some sort of opposition to them.

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Yup, that’s literally the only argument I’ve seen libs articulate when pressed. Gotta vote for the lesser evil because there are no other options, but also this is the best system possible folks.

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They do the same thing to capitalism:

Sure, capitalism means slavery and oppression but it’s the best system out of a bad bunch. Have you considered how bad it would be if we became communist?

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yup

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Them: Because that’s unrealistic and they have no chance

Which means the system is incapable of producing a decent outcome and must therefore be overthrown

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The whiplash from “were great because democracy and everybody gets to have a real meaningful choice” to “you might not like it but this is democracy so this is the only vote that makes sense, if you do anything else you’re wasting your vote and youre also a republican” is pretty overwhelming

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I think the worst part of all this is how Biden is being presented as the option against fascism. With Obama, you could weakly argue that he was hip/cool because he was Black and relatively young. Biden is practically dead. Plus he said shit like how he did not want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle. I feel like with how focused on focus groups Democrats are at least they would not have a frontrunner who is such an eyesore.

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For sure, also anybody who’s outside the lib bubble can clearly see that Trump has become more popular than ever as a result of Biden’s policies. It’s kind of absurd to argue that Biden is the solution when we have concrete proof that he’s not.

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I don’t think they have anyone else besides Biden who can come close to Trump in terms of popularity, as weird as it sounds.

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Bernie, as disappointing as he is on Gaza, exists. But that would mean even the smallest bit of table crumbs going to the proles.

IMO if they had any sense, they’d convince him to run. It’s not like he’s much older than Biden (81 vs 82). But I honestly don’t think there’s the political will to have anything even remotely akin to a new New Deal.

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If Bernie was somehow elected the outcome would be exactly identical as in case of Biden, because the reason for electing this or that dude would stay the same. Not to mention US mainstream succdems prove all the time that they are only performatively different than the ghoul lib block and even that difference is barely noticeable nowadays.

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manufactured consent, manufactured popularity.

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They only care about fascisme when it might be done to them. Everything outside of the western world is fine. Otherwise they wouldn’t be such giant hypocrites.

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pretty much, it’s a mix of hypocrisy and chauvinism

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It’s not only about the values, but through them the entire ideology, culture, worldview. Individualism/extreme liberalism was chosen as the grand unifier of exploiter and exploited countries precisely because it is concerned about individuals only.

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very much so

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Liberals don’t care about the material world, they just care about the metaphysical world. In other words, they just care about rhetoric and aesthetics.

This is why liberals are obsessed with debatelords.

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💯

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