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Wow, the Gazan civilians must have done something really serious to merit being attacked like this, ending the cease fire…

Right? Um… right? /s

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they survived? i have no snark left

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The people in Gaza survived a lot better than I predicted ; but I think the mortality from all causes is huge, under reported and still minimized.

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It’s absolutely giving horrible what’s happened and also absolutely predictable this type of behavior from Trump happened.

It’s just so extremely frustrating and sad.

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if the brave hamas freedom fighters weren’t hiding behind them with the hostages using the gazans as human shields it would be easier

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We get it, you’re a Zionist

De-development via the Gaza Occupation

Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.

Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.

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Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.

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In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

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  • The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

Blockade, including Aid

Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.

The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.

Peace Process and Solution

Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

Human Shields

Hamas:

Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

Israel:

Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:

Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

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hey, what a nice surprise, how are you?

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You’re still holding that line? Are you not afraid of the repraisal?

I mean genocide apologia is a crime. Or it should be at least

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As a terrorism enjoyer maybe you can explain hamas ongoing Oct 7th strategy

Martyring tens of thousands and another attempt at the genocide of the Jews is very in keeping with their ideology

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Trump is greenlighting genocide. And somehow his supporters will say this is a good thing.

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The US has been green-lighting genocide in the Middle East for decades. Party A only seems to notice when Party B takes over the White House. But this has been an ongoing horror story going back to Operation Ajax and the dismantling of the Egyptian democracy following the death of Gamal Nasser, largely through collaboration between the CIA, MI5, and the Mossad.

His base supporters don’t really know or care about the details, because they’re too invested in doing white nationalism at home. His opponents only seem to care about the genocide as far as it allows them to express racist sentiments toward Arab-Americans and other Muslim groups for being insufficiently enthusiastically liberal. His bourgeois supporters recognize genocide as a get-rich-quick scheme for their failsons and faildaughters.

This bloodshed won’t end before the western military occupiers are removed from the region. And I doubt I’ll see that happen in my lifetime.

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When focusing on the Middle East, it isn’t a “Trump” issue… by only looking at the last 30 years, it becomes exceptionally obvious that it’s an American problem.

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The ceasefire was the only positive thing going on during these past two months. This is fucked up!

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as a moron, are you happy?

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Do you think the ceasefire was a bad idea at the time?

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i think the ceasefire was a good idea when the hostages were alive, 15 months ago, when Biden was president…not before "rump made sure no ceesefires would happen in defiance of the Logan act…now come back with something convincing

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I see you are the kind of person to say “the best time to start learning is five years ago, so I won’t start now”

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I find it deeply disturbing that when I opened the comment section of a post discussing 400 (now over 700) dead people, mostly innocent children, men, and women, in less than 48 hours, the first reaction was to blame “Arabs,” “Muslims,” “Tankies,” “Leftists,” and “Pro-Palestinians,” using these minority communities as tokens.

This is a glaring display f hypocrisy, these groups are portrayed in a positive light when it benefits politically, only to be thrown under the bus when they are no longer useful…

Any human capable of experiencing empathy would have first reacted with disgust and indignation at the unfolding genocide, rather than resorting to scapegoating and divisive rhetoric, but it may also not be organic comments, what do I know…

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Apologies that this is the first you’re hearing about Israel/Palestine

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Unfortunately it isn’t. When I have some time I call these things out and advocate because I think it’s important that we do not fall into this force feed normalization of cruelty.

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Then why do you think people should be shocked rather than discussing causes?

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I find it deeply disturbing that when I opened the comment section of a post discussing 400 (now over 700) dead people, mostly innocent children, men, and women, in less than 48 hours, the first reaction was to blame “Arabs,” “Muslims,” “Tankies,” “Leftists,” and “Pro-Palestinians,” using these minority communities as tokens.

Tankies are not “minority groups”…

This is a glaring display f hypocrisy, these groups are portrayed in a positive light only when it benefits politically, only to be thrown under the bus when they are no longer useful…

There is no hypocrisy. Arabs and Muslims are portrayed in a positive light to counter the American far right’s frothing hatred of them, that was the core reason.

Any human capable of experiencing empathy would have first reacted with disgust and indignation at the unfolding genocide, rather than resorting to scapegoating and divisive rhetoric, but it may also not be organic comments, what do I know…

“divisive rhetoric” you sound like a fucking centrist.

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  1. I may have used the wrong word but I think you understood what I meant. It’s not an essay, I was displaying the fact that some minority opinions and certain groups of individuals get targeted because they are easy target that helps sway the blame away.

  2. About your second point, I don’t think it’s correct or else we wouldn’t be reading the gloating in the comments I’m targeting.

  3. I am not and will never be a centrist nor a republican, but I will criticize what I deem injustice, bad policies, weak strategies (like ostracizing more of your voter base to make them numb)… etc

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I don’t care who gets bitchy over this;

America chose bald faced fascism and genocide, over the chance to end genocide and not-fascism.

Suck eggs, whenever you can save up for them. The stay-at-homes are just as guilty.

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Suck eggs = children are dying and I’m gloating over it.

Anything to own the lefties though, eh.

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There was no chance to end genocide.

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Grater than this 0% ? Sure was.

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It was always 0% because genocide is bipartisan.

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What makes you think there was a non zero chance with Harris? Anything she said or did? Because I got no indication from her campaign that there was any chance she’d end it

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Not with pro-genocide centrists running against pro-genocide fascists.

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Yes there was: not voting red or blue

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Well, that’s what happened and now you get extra genocide plus total capitulation to russia

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That was the false sense of superiority choice, not the end genocide choice.

You have to consider the choices’ actual effects on the world.

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Voting is not going to be what ends the genocide.

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America chose bald faced fascism and genocide, over the chance to end genocide and not-fascism.

There was no chance under biden or harris that the genocide would end without running to completion. None. They’re both centrists, and genocide is the only policy I’ve never seen a centrist abandon.

Voted harris but refuse to carry water for genocide supporters.

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One of the parties is against the genocide in Ukraine. Funny how you people always forget about that one. Bit inconvenient for your narrative huh

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What do you mean by “you people”?

Because in another recent discussion we had, you called me a russian, had that comment removed by the mods, and then whined about how unfairly you were being treated by the complicit mods for enforcing their rules.

This sure looks like you’re trying to call me a russian again without saying it outright.

We should have used all the resources that we wasted supplying the genocide that centrists dearly love in Gaza and used them to shore up Ukraine. Instead, netanyahu got his weapons no questions asked, while Ukraine had to wait for democrats to play stupid games with immigration bills first before getting around to the tiresome obligation of making a token gesture toward preventing putin from steamrolling Europe.

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Stopping the genocide was never a choice in the table with the red and blue party

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Sorry your blue team proto-fascists couldn’t contain their disgusting bloodthirst enough to win the election from the red team fascists. Think outside of this bullshit electoralist thinking for just a second.

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I’ll vote so hard for the 3rd party next time! Just your wait and see

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Read the last sentence again please

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Lol. You people are so silly.

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Sorry your favorite genocider lost. But hey At least you can find comfort in the fact the other genocider was worst.

Fucking loser

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Nuance.

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You got the genocide you wanted either way. Now you get the bonus of being able to blame the people who tried to warn you what was going to happen.

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